babyduff thinks
2009-06-07T23:34:00.000Z
Queen is the best British band ever!!!
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babyduff says
2009-06-07T23:35:02.000Z
and I'm not alone, the british think so too :www.contactmusic.com/new...
babyduff asks
2009-06-08T00:09:11.000Z
about what my opinion or that others think that Queen is better than the Rolling Stones and the Beatles
GAtticus
2009-06-08T01:01:04.000Z
cold chisel is the best aussie band!
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babyduff feels
2009-06-08T01:15:44.000Z
that was quite the rant. And the songs played during the sporting events are never the ones that should define how good a band really is.
babyduff
2009-06-08T01:16:45.000Z
can't believe you can even think about putting Duran Duran above Queen
babyduff thinks
2009-06-08T01:22:37.000Z
nanotext has major hostility built up towards Queen, to many sport games with "We will Rock you" or was it "another one bites the dust" ?
GAtticus
2009-06-08T01:52:06.000Z
freddy mercury rules!
GAtticus
2009-06-08T01:52:16.000Z
axel rose is a wanker
babyduff thinks
2009-06-08T02:06:31.000Z
if my dad heard you say that about Axel...oh man I would not want to be there, lol. My dad is a red head so Axel is basically his idol.
babyduff
2009-06-08T02:07:48.000Z
even if he wears a wig, now (axel, not my dad)
babyduff says
2009-06-08T02:08:33.000Z
I agree with you though, just don't tell my dad :-))
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T06:53:09.000Z
that's weak tony...
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T06:57:49.000Z
what because they wrote it after freddy died? just becuase one member of a band writes a lot of the material does not make the rest of the
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T06:57:58.000Z
band a vehicle for the leader.
Williamnot feels
2009-06-08T06:58:26.000Z
that their albums are listenable.
Williamnot feels
2009-06-08T06:58:55.000Z
and that all the members add crucial parts, even though freddy wrote most of it.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T06:59:13.000Z
but I guess its too subjective.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:16:11.000Z
Some of the musicians that have cited the band as an influence include: Anthrax, Ben Folds Five, Blind Guardian, Kurt Cobain,
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:17:36.000Z
Def Leppard, Extreme, The Killers, Foo Fighters, Green Day, Guns N' Roses, Helloween ,Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Kansas,
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:17:57.000Z
Manic Street Preachers, Marianas Trench, Marilyn Manson, Metallica, My Chemical Romance, Mika,
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:18:20.000Z
Muse, Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins, Styx, Lady Gaga, Adam Lambert and Dream Theater. Muse, Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins, Styx,
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:18:23.000Z
Lady Gaga, Adam Lambert and Dream Theater.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:18:57.000Z
so are all those musicians idiots or...
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:19:26.000Z
does that qualify as a mark?
Kilroy feels
2009-06-08T07:25:29.000Z
that arguing music with nano is like trying to box a rhino.
Williamnot likes
2009-06-08T07:26:29.000Z
early styx.
Kilroy
2009-06-08T07:26:30.000Z
You WILL lose, any you'll probably get gored and/or trampled while you're at it.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:27:21.000Z
nope screw that. nano can be wrong just as easily as the rest of us. he's just stubborn.
Kilroy
2009-06-08T07:28:16.000Z
Oh, he may be wrong, but you'll still lose.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:28:23.000Z
so anyway, aside from three or four artists that you don't like (who are successful, none the less) do we disregard the rest of the list?
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:28:27.000Z
nope
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:28:52.000Z
Kilroy: I'm fighting the good fight here. I won't give in
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:30:34.000Z
there are artists there from all genres of music.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:31:04.000Z
I accidentally posted a few twice though, my apologies
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:31:27.000Z
but, the list is substantial.
Kilroy
2009-06-08T07:32:11.000Z
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:33:47.000Z
don't send me your bad vibes roy. you're just building him up.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:35:26.000Z
I'm waiting tony.
Kilroy
2009-06-08T07:40:58.000Z
babyduff says
2009-06-08T07:47:59.000Z
Go Williamnot!!! Go Williamnot!!! Go Williamnot!!! You fight a better fight than I ever could have, I'm with you.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:50:10.000Z
Queen albums have spent a total of 1,322 weeks or twenty-seven years on the United Kingdom album charts;
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:50:16.000Z
more time than any other musical act including The Beatles and Elvis Presley
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:50:57.000Z
In 2006, the Greatest Hits album was found to be the United Kingdom's all-time best selling album, with sales upwards of 5,407,587 copies,
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:51:02.000Z
over 604,295 more copies than its nearest competitor
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:51:30.000Z
Their Greatest Hits II album came in seventh with sales upwards of 3,631,321 copies.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:52:12.000Z
the band has released a total of eighteen number one albums, eighteen number one singles, and ten number one DVDs worldwide
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:52:37.000Z
Their total album sales have been estimated at over 300 million worldwide including 32.5 million in the United States
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:53:00.000Z
alone as of 2004. The band is also the only group in which every member has composed more than one chart-topping single.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:53:20.000Z
Also, on January 2007, it was announced that Queen's Greatest Hits I & II was the most downloaded album on iTunes in the US.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:54:16.000Z
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:55:03.000Z
so even if you don't like queen I hope you agree that they are a popular and influential band
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T07:55:27.000Z
and not just a "Freddy Mercury vehicle"
Kilroy
2009-06-08T07:56:31.000Z
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T16:40:15.000Z
sometimes people have different taste in music
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T16:41:23.000Z
there's nothing inherently "better" about the frequency or patter of any set of sound waves stimulating your ear
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T16:41:50.000Z
musical taste is entirely cultural
Mantra wonders
2009-06-08T16:42:56.000Z
why you can be so absolute about this but not science, logic, rationality, etc.
Mantra asks
2009-06-08T18:24:40.000Z
what defines aesthetic value then? What most people find aesthetically pleasing seems like a plausible way to go about defining it
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:25:38.000Z
also "great" sounds like it is being equivocated in that argument. If great means popular, then yes, he *was* during those elections. If not
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:25:43.000Z
then the argument is invalid
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:27:34.000Z
also even if great means popular, W isn't *as* great as lincoln and others because they were considerably more popular
Kilroy
2009-06-08T18:30:07.000Z
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:30:29.000Z
also doesn't buy your reductio because you assume that Mariah Carey isn't the greatest female artist of all time but haven't given a reason
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:33:33.000Z
I agree popularity probably isn't the only way we should define "best," but without a competing definition it may be the "best" prima facie
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:34:25.000Z
give a competing definition with better reasons to support it than an appeal to popularity and your argument will be far more reasonable
Kilroy
2009-06-08T18:37:54.000Z
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:38:14.000Z
doesn't "bloated" have a rather negative connotation already? It's like arguing that killing is wrong because it's murder, when murder means
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:38:20.000Z
wrongful killing
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T18:39:02.000Z
ideally we don't want value terms in the definition of a value judgment
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:42:27.000Z
(LOL) maybe one of you could advise me how to argue my case, because if you don't even accept my argument as valid, I can't get very far.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:43:20.000Z
but sure if we take out wikipedia than I guess I have nothing but my personal taste backing me up here.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:44:28.000Z
which is obviously inferior to nano-tony's...
Williamnot thinks
2009-06-08T18:47:16.000Z
that is bullshit.
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:47:43.000Z
but see, you can just say that you think Queen is the best because you're acknowledging that it's your opinion. It's Tony who wants to say
Mantra says
2009-06-08T18:47:52.000Z
you're wrong, the burden of proof lies with him
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:48:38.000Z
(rofl) if you say so.
Mantra is
2009-06-08T18:49:11.000Z
fine with the idea of rejecting relativism. But you can't do that and then say that *your* taste in music is right without arguing for it.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:51:16.000Z
indeed
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:51:29.000Z
ok ok ok
Kilroy
2009-06-08T18:52:23.000Z
images.mirror.co.uk/upl/... And another contestant enters the ring!
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:53:21.000Z
I am so the guy with fury boots. even if my attack totally misses and I crash to the floor in agony, that is still me.
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:54:47.000Z
yea yea yea, so uh, forgive me here, but would you be kind enough to calculate queens score for us from that website tony?
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T18:55:09.000Z
because I am not sure how one would go about finding those numbers...
Mantra feels
2009-06-08T18:56:12.000Z
the same can be said for unpopularity. Most of what counts for "indie cred" seems to be liking the most obscure music you can find
Mantra wishes
2009-06-08T18:59:29.000Z
people would refer to the specific musical themes going on in each song. I can respect someone with a lot of musical theory pointing out the
Mantra
2009-06-08T19:00:21.000Z
complicated time signatures or unusual harmonies going on in the music instead of just saying it is "good" or "better" or "the best"
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T19:03:08.000Z
what program?
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T19:05:40.000Z
ah
Mantra says
2009-06-08T19:06:38.000Z
I'm not saying that these are sufficient conditions for "good" music, only that it indicates the person knows what they are talking about
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T19:06:42.000Z
tony, what makes a band good to you, beyond your personal taste?
Mantra says
2009-06-08T19:06:49.000Z
preference, not definition
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T19:08:22.000Z
if we could say definitively "these things are what makes music good" there wouldn't be any music debates
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T19:08:56.000Z
even if we reject that it's "all relative anyways," there seems to be a subjective element doesn't there?
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T19:10:35.000Z
yes there does... but isn't there more to this than our own taste in musice?
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T19:10:58.000Z
this discussion that is...
GAtticus
2009-06-08T19:13:42.000Z
music needs to woo its listeners-how they go about doing it is up to musicians-either way it is creating, a noble act
GAtticus
2009-06-08T19:14:22.000Z
better then our jiving back and forth-finding end results as they started
GAtticus
2009-06-08T19:14:31.000Z
each with a personal opinion
GAtticus asks
2009-06-08T19:15:07.000Z
Is the insecurity of our music taste that deep that we need to gain followers of our cause?
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T19:15:53.000Z
the debate is almost identical to the "what is art?" debate
GAtticus was
2009-06-08T19:15:58.000Z
wooed by radiohead this summer
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T19:20:57.000Z
your question about insecurity goes back to "indie cred" mantra, in which people try to have as few followers as possible, or at least
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T19:21:17.000Z
be ignorant about who else listens to the same stuff
GAtticus
2009-06-08T20:27:09.000Z
indie bands think they are so original, and raw, to me that sounds unrefined-they counting on just being "artsy"
acelessthan3
2009-06-08T20:33:08.000Z
I think that depends on who considers them indie.
acelessthan3
2009-06-08T20:33:17.000Z
If it's their label then maybe.
acelessthan3
2009-06-08T20:33:48.000Z
But if they're indie in that they are an independently operating band with a truly unique sound...
Mantra thinks
2009-06-08T20:39:33.000Z
that's probably the correct way to use that word, but now it has other connotations. Kind of like the word conservative...
acelessthan3
2009-06-08T20:45:54.000Z
But it's also using indie as a label, as self promotion, and then being indie as a descriptor of who they are.
acelessthan3
2009-06-08T20:46:19.000Z
That's the difference I'm talking about. The bands that say they're indie aren't necessarily indie in the other sense.
acelessthan3
2009-06-08T20:46:29.000Z
Just like how no true hipster says they're a hipster.
Kilroy
2009-06-08T20:48:01.000Z
I knew them before they were big.
Kilroy
2009-06-08T20:48:16.000Z
Ultimate hipster status.
acelessthan3
2009-06-08T20:49:24.000Z
*shakes head* exactly.
GAtticus
2009-06-08T21:42:24.000Z
yes sir
Williamnot says
2009-06-08T22:34:20.000Z
(LOL)
Kilroy
2009-06-08T22:58:57.000Z
kikizvisaban
2009-09-23T19:45:07.000Z
I love Queen song, Somebody to love.. its cool song.. so hopeless song.. hehe
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