skerple
2024-10-25T07:52:44.000Z
[politics] voter publicity pamphlets with the arguments for and against each ballot measure are fucking lifelines, i swear
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skerple
2024-10-25T07:53:38.000Z
it's really hard to parse legalese and think through the implications of each ballot measure on your own, especially when politics stress you out and you just want to get your ballot done and mailed
skerple
2024-10-25T07:55:11.000Z
but it's very easy to parse a couple paragraphs of "here's why I think you should vote for/against this"
skerple
2024-10-25T07:55:59.000Z
plus you start to see Patterns in who's supporting/opposing things
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skerple
2024-10-25T07:57:04.000Z
there's some bad shit on the AZ ballot this year that, if you just read the summary on the ballot, seems fine and reasonable
skerple
2024-10-25T07:58:28.000Z
but then looking at the arguments, there's a whole slate of suspiciously talking-pointy arguments that are all tagged with a little "Sponsored by the Arizona Free Enterprise Club"
skerple
2024-10-25T08:04:59.000Z
the Arizona Free Enterprise club is. very big business venture capitalist conservative lobbyists.
skerple
2024-10-25T08:06:41.000Z
so whenever I see their name suddenly popping up a bunch, I know I'm doing the opposite of whatever they want
skerple
2024-10-25T08:07:58.000Z
and like obviously I still READ both sides of the argument
skerple
2024-10-25T08:09:43.000Z
but usually reading whoever's opposing them on a measure just gives me a better understanding of WHY I should vote opposite to them
skerple
2024-10-25T08:11:07.000Z
it honestly is really striking how often a bad proposition will have a slate of weirdly samey, weasel-wordy endorsements that are all about how this measure will Protect Our Freedoms, all sponsored by the Arizona Free Enterprise Club
skerple
2024-10-25T08:13:28.000Z
and then the arguments against are filled with a real variety of different groups, ranging from political organizations with varying goals to actual local business owners (Changing Hands Bookstore my beloved)
skerple
2024-10-25T08:14:22.000Z
all made in much clearer and more direct language than the usual fluffed-up politispeak
skerple
2024-10-25T08:16:30.000Z
... and sometimes a single uncapitalized sentence. bless you, couple from Wickenburg, who submitted an argument on Prop 135 consisting entirely of the words "ballot measure is unconstitutional."
skerple
2024-10-25T08:17:20.000Z
really cutting the bullshit there, I appreciate you
skerple
2024-10-25T08:17:44.000Z
(there is no sarcasm there I am sincerely delighted by this)
skerple
2024-10-25T08:23:53.000Z
..... wait HOLY SHIT we got a real one here
skerple
2024-10-25T08:25:13.000Z
so we got prop 137, which is some real weasely shit about judges
skerple
2024-10-25T08:27:49.000Z
it seeks to eliminate judicial terms in the AZ Supreme Court, Court of Appeals, and Superior Court, so that voters will no longer vote to decide whether to retain those judges at the end of their terms
skerple
2024-10-25T08:29:19.000Z
judges would be subject to retention elections only if they were convicted of a felony "or a crime involving fraud or dishonesty", or were a debtor in a bankruptcy proceeding or held a mortgage under foreclosure or did not meet performance standards according to the Commission on Judicial Performance Review
skerple
2024-10-25T08:30:07.000Z
(to give you an idea of how often that last one comes up, when I looked at the candidate guide, Literally Not Even One Judge Up For Retention had failed to meet those standards)
skerple
2024-10-25T08:30:53.000Z
and of course, the "FOR" arguments consisted of the expected slate of AZFEC endorsements
skerple
2024-10-25T08:31:32.000Z
all just like, this will make voting easier and make your ballot shorter! this way only the bad judges will even come up on your ballot! so much more convenient!
skerple
2024-10-25T08:32:11.000Z
... except for the last argument
skerple
2024-10-25T08:32:14.000Z
which
skerple
2024-10-25T08:32:23.000Z
I will just screenshot for you
skerple
2024-10-25T08:32:31.000Z
https://images.plurk.com/7uSlQI48YSqZryAPITg5WR.png
skerple
2024-10-25T08:32:42.000Z
if you read this argument very closely
skerple
2024-10-25T08:32:45.000Z
you will realize
skerple
2024-10-25T08:32:53.000Z 2024-10-25T08:33:00.000Z
it is not actually in support of this proposition at all
skerple
2024-10-25T08:34:17.000Z
fuckin hell, Lauren Kuby, I'm sorry you're not in my district because I would vote for you
skerple
2024-10-25T08:34:24.000Z
that was SLY
skerple
2024-10-25T08:44:56.000Z
I don't know how effective that will actually be, but I have to respect the attempt
Nancy Crawfish
2024-10-25T10:03:11.000Z
Those are very helpful, especially when it’s about candidates and one guy is like “I’m pro-America and pro-Christian and blah blah blah” and you’re like, oh, so you’re terrible
Nancy Crawfish
2024-10-25T10:03:48.000Z
Man, “a crime involving dishonesty” really doesn’t narrow it down, does it
bluecake
2024-10-25T11:10:12.000Z
This is all very good.
Tentessee
2024-10-25T12:23:15.000Z
in a pinch I look up who is on record of being for or against and judge by what they say about it. if I voted for someone and they say it's good or bad, then I go with that if I just can't parse the proposition
penis bacon
2024-10-25T12:42:32.000Z
Sometimes you get """lucky""" and the propaganda ads show a little too much of their hand

"IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS AMENDMENT YOU ARE VOTING TO STRIP POWER FROM PARENTS AND LET MINORS GET ABORTIONS"
Hamlet 3.3.87
2024-10-25T14:11:45.000Z
oh, that is a LOVELY piecce of writing, yes
Lynx and Paint
2024-10-25T15:10:40.000Z
California automatically sends you a packet of "here's all the ballot measures, here's how much it costs over how much time, here's who's for and against them, here's their arguments for it and to each other, also here's the text of the law itself if you really want to read the whole thing yourself"
Lynx and Paint
2024-10-25T15:10:51.000Z
it's extremely helpful and I'm kind of offended that every state doesn't do that???
penis bacon
2024-10-25T15:12:50.000Z
LynxGriffin: one of the reasons California gets poopooed as being one of them "filthy liberal" states despite actually being astoundingly regressive in some issues (billionaire favoring, penal rights)
Lynx and Paint
2024-10-25T17:07:09.000Z
yeah, for sure
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