skerple
2 months ago
[politics] voter publicity pamphlets with the arguments for and against each ballot measure are fucking lifelines, i swear
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skerple
2 months ago
it's really hard to parse legalese and think through the implications of each ballot measure on your own, especially when politics stress you out and you just want to get your ballot done and mailed
skerple
2 months ago
but it's very easy to parse a couple paragraphs of "here's why I think you should vote for/against this"
skerple
2 months ago
plus you start to see Patterns in who's supporting/opposing things
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skerple
2 months ago
there's some bad shit on the AZ ballot this year that, if you just read the summary on the ballot, seems fine and reasonable
skerple
2 months ago
but then looking at the arguments, there's a whole slate of suspiciously talking-pointy arguments that are all tagged with a little "Sponsored by the Arizona Free Enterprise Club"
skerple
2 months ago
the Arizona Free Enterprise club is. very big business venture capitalist conservative lobbyists.
skerple
2 months ago
so whenever I see their name suddenly popping up a bunch, I know I'm doing the opposite of whatever they want
skerple
2 months ago
and like obviously I still READ both sides of the argument
skerple
2 months ago
but usually reading whoever's opposing them on a measure just gives me a better understanding of WHY I should vote opposite to them
skerple
2 months ago
it honestly is really striking how often a bad proposition will have a slate of weirdly samey, weasel-wordy endorsements that are all about how this measure will Protect Our Freedoms, all sponsored by the Arizona Free Enterprise Club
skerple
2 months ago
and then the arguments against are filled with a real variety of different groups, ranging from political organizations with varying goals to actual local business owners (Changing Hands Bookstore my beloved)
skerple
2 months ago
all made in much clearer and more direct language than the usual fluffed-up politispeak
skerple
2 months ago
... and sometimes a single uncapitalized sentence. bless you, couple from Wickenburg, who submitted an argument on Prop 135 consisting entirely of the words "ballot measure is unconstitutional."
skerple
2 months ago
really cutting the bullshit there, I appreciate you
skerple
2 months ago
(there is no sarcasm there I am sincerely delighted by this)
skerple
2 months ago
..... wait HOLY SHIT we got a real one here
skerple
2 months ago
so we got prop 137, which is some real weasely shit about judges
skerple
2 months ago
it seeks to eliminate judicial terms in the AZ Supreme Court, Court of Appeals, and Superior Court, so that voters will no longer vote to decide whether to retain those judges at the end of their terms
skerple
2 months ago
judges would be subject to retention elections only if they were convicted of a felony "or a crime involving fraud or dishonesty", or were a debtor in a bankruptcy proceeding or held a mortgage under foreclosure or did not meet performance standards according to the Commission on Judicial Performance Review
skerple
2 months ago
(to give you an idea of how often that last one comes up, when I looked at the candidate guide, Literally Not Even One Judge Up For Retention had failed to meet those standards)
skerple
2 months ago
and of course, the "FOR" arguments consisted of the expected slate of AZFEC endorsements
skerple
2 months ago
all just like, this will make voting easier and make your ballot shorter! this way only the bad judges will even come up on your ballot! so much more convenient!
skerple
2 months ago
... except for the last argument
skerple
2 months ago
which
skerple
2 months ago
I will just screenshot for you
skerple
2 months ago
https://images.plurk.com/7uSlQI48YSqZryAPITg5WR.png
skerple
2 months ago
if you read this argument very closely
skerple
2 months ago
you will realize
skerple
2 months ago @Edit 2 months ago
it is not actually in support of this proposition at all
skerple
2 months ago
fuckin hell, Lauren Kuby, I'm sorry you're not in my district because I would vote for you
skerple
2 months ago
that was SLY
skerple
2 months ago
I don't know how effective that will actually be, but I have to respect the attempt
Nancy Crawfish
2 months ago
Those are very helpful, especially when it’s about candidates and one guy is like “I’m pro-America and pro-Christian and blah blah blah” and you’re like, oh, so you’re terrible
Nancy Crawfish
2 months ago
Man, “a crime involving dishonesty” really doesn’t narrow it down, does it
bluecake
2 months ago
This is all very good.
Tentessee
2 months ago
in a pinch I look up who is on record of being for or against and judge by what they say about it. if I voted for someone and they say it's good or bad, then I go with that if I just can't parse the proposition
BERSERKER
2 months ago
Sometimes you get """lucky""" and the propaganda ads show a little too much of their hand

"IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS AMENDMENT YOU ARE VOTING TO STRIP POWER FROM PARENTS AND LET MINORS GET ABORTIONS"
Hamlet 3.3.87
2 months ago
oh, that is a LOVELY piecce of writing, yes
Lynx and Paint
2 months ago
California automatically sends you a packet of "here's all the ballot measures, here's how much it costs over how much time, here's who's for and against them, here's their arguments for it and to each other, also here's the text of the law itself if you really want to read the whole thing yourself"
Lynx and Paint
2 months ago
it's extremely helpful and I'm kind of offended that every state doesn't do that???
BERSERKER
2 months ago
LynxGriffin: one of the reasons California gets poopooed as being one of them "filthy liberal" states despite actually being astoundingly regressive in some issues (billionaire favoring, penal rights)
Lynx and Paint
2 months ago
yeah, for sure
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