i'm preparing to ignore this stupid holiday entirely but lol at this considering my muselist

ryouma is the only one who really has a positive relationship with his father

his mother died when he was very young and so he was raised by his older sister and his father and they were about as close as a child could be with their father at that time

he was the baby and also weird af so his father used to worry about him and say that he wasn't sure if ryouma would grow up to be a dragon (he was the one who named him ryouma) or a house cat lol

when he died everyone thought ryouma was being inappropriate because he didn't really seem sad at all but then at night after that people reported weird sounds because he went out where no one could find him and yelled about it

arthas famously murdered his own father after returning to lordaeron after he took up frostmourne and it ate his soul and corrupted him and that cutscene back in the day was the coolest shit ever ok

fun fact if you stand in the throne room and turn everything down but the ambience you can hear the cutscene play out in whispers and the blood is on the floor

but terenas was like... not a bad dude he was just unfortunately in the way of evil plots beyond comprehension

he really loved arthas a lot tbh because he even speaks gently to him after he's been a ghost trapped inside a cursed sword for a long time

got distracted by someone's weird take in discord... lol ANYWAY

i just want to talk about asriel for a sec because it's established he's not a great father lmao

he made sure lyra was as safe as she could be and he also stayed away, which was arguably for the best

becaue the man does not know how to engage on that level

he can't do feelings or sentiment

also that part where he's willing to murder his daughter's best friend for progression

he loved her he just didn't know how to do that in a healthy way or express it properly rip

also in more arthas things
in the book he tends to complain more than anything else lol
which makes some sense since we are seeing him as a kid growing up

but he always feels underappreciated or he kinda sorta blames terenas and uther for sheltering him too long and not starting him in paladin training earlier

which is important because he feels like if he'd been trained from a young age he could've saved invincible

it all goes back to horse

he does not love his father like he loves that horse lmao

he simultaneously sought approval from the father figures in his life (because you gotta acknowledge uther and muradin in this) and took it really badly whenever anyone disagreed with him or questioned him

he feels like he was working hard for their approval (debatable) and they STILL won't give him credit

some of this is valid and some of this is entitlement

like we know terenas wasn't perfect by any means since he was prepared to force calia to marry daval prestor against her will
and only changed his mind because as it turns out daval prestor was deathwing

like that wasn't out there at that time but daval prestor was sus af

but arthas saw how that played out and lol didn't help

also the whole orc camp business was also bad

durnholde sucked!! he knew about this!! didn't do anything to stop it

but you can point fingers at a lot of alliance leadership in that time and arthas saw no issues with durnholde until thrall escaped
it's more like terenas isn't a saint but he still didn't deserve any of it because his kid sucks worse : ' )