Not so easy as it seems to remove them, we discussed it a little in our Canon Law class

But it's too complicated and we didn't have time to go into depth. But...the bishop has less power in this case than a lot of people realize

Can't he at least remove their faculties?

cuaguy: Nope. Their superior can, but not a diocesan bishop.

AdoroTeDevote: we had this discussion the other day - Fr. Corey agreed that D'arcy could remove permission for

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Well, no, he can't, because it seems the diocese doesn't own the University.

2yo helped

permission for faculties in his diocease - you are right Adoro that he cannot further inhibit

I believe

I remember that, but our Canon Lawyer Chancellor for a diocese stated that the bishop does NOT have that authority

in this case

Father Corey jumps in at the end

MemoriaDei: seems not in this case, has to do with ownership of the University and other complicated factors

GNW_Paul: I know, and I agreed when I read that on the day of. But that was before we discused it with our prof on Friday/Saturday

Canonists are also going crazy on this.

Doesn't the Bishop have pretty absolute authority as to who can say Mass and hear confession in his diocese?? What is the restriction?

But it's a LOT more complicated than it seems

Thats Canon Law

GNW_Paul: he doesn't have that kind of authority over religious orders, especially if the diocese doesn't own the university in question

But I'm not clear on all the details and we didn't have time to go into detail in class

I've stated ALL I know and anything else would be conjecture

Canon Law is actually inherently more logical than civil law, but there are still canons that need

But - he is THE authority for the Church in that diocese when it comes to the Sacraments

authentic interpretations. Or clarifications.

Something may arise out of the situation

GNW_Paul: I can't say any more, but he DOESN'T have authority over a religious community in the way you think

But we didn't study the chapter on religious communities, no time in the course

there a difference though between preaching and sacraments publicly vs. in coummnity and does a Univ. fall as public or commnity?

I simply can't say any more. It would be conjecture and basically, none of us in this plurk have enough of the facts

to have an intelligent or accurate discussion on what canons do or don't apply.

We need more info. We didn't even get that in class...again...because of time constraints

Well - I think I just became convinced that it is **time** to revise Canon Law

Or just learn more about it. You could take the class I just did and bring it up early in the semester!

Oh I'd like to learn more - I've learned a bit - enough to know that you are correct about interpreting particular Canons and knowing

all the Canons that apply and how they interact.

And also to know that in some ways the inherent philosophy and structure of Canon law is superior to modern common law (english) system

That Canon law is excellent in regard to protecting the weak from the powerful

I wish you could have sat in this class...the prof is incredible. He is both a civil atty and canon lawyer, just BRILLIANT

and...ORTHODOX!

GNW_Paul: I fully admit that I could be wrong. It's been a few years since I studied Canon Law.

I only know a little....and what that is is that it's more complicated than we realize

AdoroTeDevote: I don't think the bishop is quite as helpless as you think. He does have some authority regarding orders in his diocese.

Look at how Archbishop O'Brien in Baltimore placed restrictions and conditions on the Legionaries of Christ.

FrCorySticha: I don' t think he's helpless at all. I'm just saying, that based on what our prof said, and these are his exact words:

"It's a LOT more complicated than most people realize"

I hope Bishop D'arcy is talking with several Canon Lawyers to figure out exactly what he can do.

And it seems it's not just a canonical issue, but has to do with property ownership, how the Order is there to begin with, other stuff

I hope he is, too.

I agree that it is more complicated. It's not an issue that can be resolved in 140 characters.

FrCorySticha: I know you're not a Canon Lawyer - I took your authority with respect, but a grain of salt - Been burned before

FrCorySticha: You don't think so? Don't we solve the world's problems in these plurks?

et orthodoxis atque catholicae et apostolicae fidei cultoribus

Since D'arcy actually showed up for and addressed the protest graduation, I'm guessing he's got a dozen canon layers Burke's cell #

surely the problem is that the Uni is a discrete academic institution and is structured that way as regards employing whoever it wishes?

the difficulty is in how it is affiliated to Church and this is where the Bishop's authority is limited?

The Uni authorities can engage the HC fathers for their academic abilities. The Bishop has a say in their faculties in Church matters.

when the two clash, there is no crossover. Or do I see it wrong?

Thank you and the comments were good too

I feel very inspired by Fathers words!