what if they don't agree with yours

do you value them?

even if they don't agree with mine, i still value people who think enough to have their own solid set of values

and yes, i do value them, haha

I feel like I bring up values too much in class

do you feel they aren't valuable enough to talk about so frequently?

isn't there something to be said for people's opinions being malleable?

open mindedness or whatever you want to call it

being too set in your ways is negative i think

i feel like open mindedness is important but i also have great respect for people who know who they are and what they stand for

can you value both egalitarians and relativists? or do you need at least one negative value to make positive values meaningful?

because it seems as though values are not always the underlying factor of things.

didn't really know what her values were until this year

who we are can be abridged to what we stand for?

if saying something has no value, good or bad, is a value judgment?

so, in a lot of ways

to gregygoo

to mantra, isn't sure

wow. does that make our existence less complex by condensing it into values?

isn't that was values are? judgements? concrete opinions?

i think so, yes. when i'm learning about a person i want to know about their values

and i try to look for and spend time around people who have similar values to me and to each other

generally speaking. there are exceptions, of course

people don't even need to try to surround themselves with familiar values. it happens naturally

right, if we know what our values are

i didn't used to, and i learned them largely by being around people whose values DIDN'T match up with mine

wasn't that better in some ways?

if values have to be judgments or appraisals. Maybe you can believe there are some objective facts about the goodness or badness of things

yes

it was "learning by doing"

"learning from experience"

and i wouldn't change any of it

but also believe that you have no way of determining those facts with your limited cognitive and sensory capacities

sorry she keeps saying things twice... doesn't know why that's happening

by objective it's subjective?

paraphrasing is sometimes important

agrees very much, and thinks there is such a thing as too many words

suppose: there are moral truths. That is, it is a fact that some things are bad, other things are good.

also suppose: I can't figure out which things are good and which things are bad.

believes it's subject to everyone's individual opinion

largely influenced by experiences

that's the truth

these don't contradict. So values do not have to be judgments

what if a person had only good or bad?

would values even exist for them?

what you mean?

we just defined (ha!) values as being our perception of good and bad

if you view everything as good, can values exist for you?

paraphrasing

hmmmm

maybe not

because things contradict each other, so it's not really possible to think EVERYTHING is good

the way i see it anyhow

it could be a brutal fact of the universe that everything is "Good." But when we ask what "Good" means, maybe we get "what everything is."

so "it doesn't mean anything" not because it means nothing but because it isn't useful to us.

and in that case i don't think values really have a place

in what?

I think to believe that things have an inherent "good/bad" value is to simply back up our own beliefs.

For instance, how often do these "absolute" truths vary from our own opinions?

To believe that something is wrong because we believe it is is a somewhat arrogant self-fulfilling statement.

In a cosmic sense, the values of good and bad do not exist. Everything simply is.

to mantra's question: if everything is viewed as good, there are no such thing as values, because nothing is discerned from anything else

so how could there be?

and i also think good and bad are relative and depend upon the individual person

why