- it’s not the upper body but the blade on the ice - the only one punished by the rules: toeloop (toe-Axel) - it’s a technique - flips and lutzes could look like loops if the picking has contact with the blade - such a Lutz techinique was developed by Mishin - Shoma’s flips/Lutzes may look like it’s pre-rotated, tracing on ice does not show it