ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T03:28:03.000Z
[KH Talk] An open plurk for talking about KH stuff and explanations
latest #124
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T06:49:38.000Z
firebenderjess tanks4thememory This would be the thingit.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T06:50:32.000Z
So basically there are a lot of questions about the actual physical makeup of Xion's replica body, and since things are so freaking weird now, figured we should all do our best to be on the same page.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T06:52:54.000Z
I'll do what I can! :3
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Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T06:53:39.000Z
(Though if asked ICly, Lea's response will be along the lines of 'I dunno; ask Vexen'.)
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T06:55:58.000Z
I tend to think that her body is mostly like a human's unless otherwise indicated, given that that was Vexen's goal in creating Replicas in the first place. But because she's a prototype there are a few bugs to iron out.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T06:56:23.000Z
And a few things we all had wildly different thoughts on from the start that have made RP... odd.... lol
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T06:56:24.000Z
Like, say, random comas.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T06:57:02.000Z
But that's why I thought this should be a more than two person discussion. Because I, for one, still maintain that she does in fact survive on just ice cream and sleep. LOL
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T06:59:39.000Z
Blame that on her specifically being designed to pass for a Nobody XD
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T06:59:58.000Z
Metabolism is more magic heavy than strictly biological.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:00:27.000Z
Yeah. Hence why she can survive on noting but ice cream.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:01:10.000Z
The bit what started this: https://images.plurk.com/6VEsQY10Nq93vwsxTeJfea.png
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:01:54.000Z
Though if Lea and Vexen can ever convince her to eat proper meals, she will likely notice some improvement in how well she functions, because surviving isn't the same as thriving.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:02:03.000Z
Oh probably.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:02:18.000Z
But unless the train makes healthy eating a mission, that one will remain an uphill battle, lol
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T07:02:30.000Z
.........Brb putting in request-
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:02:38.000Z
Along with personal hygiene.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:02:40.000Z
ROFLOL
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T07:03:25.000Z
Buuuuuuut I think Replica 'programming' basically works on the concept of 'brains are basically organic computers', facilitated by involvement of magitek.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:03:53.000Z
Well, Lea's gonna at least try and get her to try malasadas on the Pokemon world trip. With the excuse that a Big Malasada is too big for him to eat on his own.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:04:21.000Z
lol. Sneaky, Lea. Sneaky.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:04:43.000Z
Baby steps. X3
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:06:07.000Z
Then he'll just have to figure out how to make them on the train. Which he probably would anyway, since they're tasty.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:06:37.000Z
soo, not digital? Or is she more magic? I watched all the kingdom hearts cutscenes and it called a replica, data. Like heart data.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:07:44.000Z
In KH magic, science, and data aren't necessarily separate.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:08:31.000Z
tbf Tron is disney science too
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:09:15.000Z
Tron gets a disc that's been boosted by both Cid's coding skills and Merlin's magic in KH 2.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:10:09.000Z
And KH re;Coded is a whole game centering around the concept of a datascape.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:10:52.000Z
perhaps xion could read as semi-code if touched?
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:11:27.000Z
or some sort of 'it seem slightly familiar it a little off'
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:12:50.000Z
i've pretty much made it that FF and KH magic can work on Tron stuff/character in my 'canon' since it's done so in games/media
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:13:01.000Z
More likely the latter. Her body is very much physical (well as much as any of them are on the train) but there would probably be a bit of overlap that wouldn't be there with a normal human.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:14:59.000Z
there are lots of different code as written irl, so perhaps like 2 mostly incompatible languages detecting something but its not translatable?
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T07:15:43.000Z
I'd say it'd be sorta like an android, where the body isn't data, but the mind and heart are...but yeah, in a really weird and unfamiliar programming language.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:16:59.000Z
With a side of some very weird energy readings, because of all the magitek involved.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:20:31.000Z
if thats the case then i don't think anything would be picked up, except mabe some energy sensation then
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:24:21.000Z
Im kinda wondering what code even is now, in the sense of being taken outside of a computer harddrive now.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:26:29.000Z
That is a legit question.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:26:41.000Z
wonder if its pure concept being held together in a container of [insert science beyond comprehension]
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:27:07.000Z
aka magic.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:27:19.000Z
That would be my guess yes.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:28:21.000Z
Basically, in Wake I used 'Nautilus allowed it to happen' as an excuse. So in this case we can just say 'The way the Void/tethering works allows it to happen'.
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T07:28:46.000Z
Times I'm vaguely tempted to app my ReBoot character...but she's difficult to make work long-term.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:29:12.000Z
omg Reboot is awesome.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:29:25.000Z 2022-02-15T07:29:34.000Z
Hex is just difficult period. XD
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:29:48.000Z
i love hex. But she is chaotic
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:30:35.000Z
Heeeeeeeeex
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:31:16.000Z
man, she'd be more advanced than Faux XC since she's from the 90s
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:31:36.000Z
I am fine with, if nothing else, whatever readings he gets making it clear that Xion isn't 100% the same as Axel at the least. I was gonna say Axel and Vexen but...um... Vex has his own ways he might read as different.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:32:35.000Z
Yeah Vexen is still technically a Nobody.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:33:00.000Z
Albeit one who's deliberately cultivating a new heart.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:33:40.000Z
/nods
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:34:44.000Z
But yeah. to catch everyone up, um... Xion's sort of picked up a stalker and is doing a stupid thing in the last mission
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:34:48.000Z
Lea, meanwhile is human. He has an extra half-heart from his time as Axel, but that wouldn't be something Faux could pick up. Lea's actually getting Vexen to teach him the trick of how to detect things like that, but it's a purely magical sense.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:36:24.000Z
If Lea figures out Faux is stalking Xion, he might pull him aside for a Serious Talk, but once he figures out what's up, he'll explain as best he can.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:36:46.000Z
Im saving up for a digitising laser, so when that happens, everyone using it will be code
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T07:36:50.000Z
Yeah, Hex revels in being difficult XD She enjoys stirring the pot just to see what happens.
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T07:37:35.000Z
And yes, Vexen is All Kinds of Weird, because what even is a Nobody with a heart, aside from an oxymoron?
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:38:43.000Z
Lea's kind of wondering if he'll pop back to being Even- or at least human- once his heart is fully developed.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:40:14.000Z
yeah i don't understand canonically why lea and axel arent sepaarte beings
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:40:51.000Z
they now have separate hearts therefore they are different (enough by KH canon)
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:44:03.000Z
but i dunno. KH lore is hard to follow (at least for me .__.)
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:46:22.000Z
It's hard to follow for us too sometimes. XD
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:47:47.000Z
But basically, it comes down to that Axel is part of Lea, not a separate being, because Lea's accepted that part of himself.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:48:47.000Z
That's why he still has his chakrams and fire powers and can still use dark corridors. He's accepted the darkness in himself, for the most part, and thus accepted Axel.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:49:00.000Z
Sora being able to spin off all these extra people I think is just part of Sora being Sora
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:49:11.000Z
and should not be taken as the norm/expected result for anyone else
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T07:49:12.000Z
lol
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T07:52:21.000Z
Yeah Sora is a special case. XD
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:57:47.000Z
so do lea just have a chunky heart now?
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T07:58:15.000Z
(trying to visualise additional extra heart)
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:00:50.000Z
I mean Sora's had multiple full hearts in himself at once. Not sure any difference registered.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:01:21.000Z
But again... Sora
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:01:35.000Z
Vexen knows how to detect heart related weirdness and is teaching Lea. But most people whouldn't notice, even itf it was part of them.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:01:59.000Z
this is kinda making me feel he has a bunch of 1 ups XD
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:02:08.000Z
I'm not even sure if faux has anything detectable.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:02:23.000Z
SSo yeah, Lea may well have a chunky (metaphorical) heart now. His physical heart is normal. X3
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:03:30.000Z
Faux would almost certainly have a detectable heart. Because one thing re; Coded did was to prove that a heart can absolutely be born from data.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:04:22.000Z
oh ok. I wasn't sure since the orginal tron level didn't go into that (although havn't played since it came out)
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:04:22.000Z
yep
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:05:14.000Z
i would have thought that programs would have pieces since users who write them aren't guaranteed to give anything of themselves to the program
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:06:28.000Z
but i guess living almost 30 years would probably buff the size of one)
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:06:50.000Z
They might start with a piece. But hearts also develop and change over time.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:07:35.000Z
Xion started with just a bare-bones framework of a heart, and now has one that's pretty much fully developped (though she doesn't know that yet).
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:09:09.000Z
She's come to accept she has a heart. It's all the things tht come with it that she's less clear on >.>
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:09:32.000Z
Faux will just thing thats all the fun stuff that users are allowed and he doesn't have
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:11:01.000Z
(reinforced by naoya telling him that all his programs are non-living scripts)
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:11:56.000Z
Get him to explain what he means by users some time for her weird take on things. Well, once he explains computers and programs as well. Just to finally get to "You don't use the SCA?" which leads to "then aren't you a user too...?"
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:12:43.000Z
Lea will absolutely face-palm if he finds out that Faux has been told that.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:13:10.000Z
Will people stop giving other people personhood issues?! Geez!
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:13:31.000Z
ROFLOL
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:16:48.000Z
Lea's take: if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:17:33.000Z 2022-02-15T08:17:45.000Z
All evidence points to Faux being a full person, so he is indeed a full person.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:18:23.000Z
faux will definitely have a full reaction to that
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T08:20:04.000Z
Both of mine are also of that opinion. (My other character is ALSO from a canon that has artificial people and self-aware AI.)
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:20:10.000Z
That explanation is plain quackers.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:20:40.000Z
Yep. Lea's not gonna stand around while someone else's personhood is questioned, ever.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:20:54.000Z
All of mine would see him as a person too... but then.... um... until CRAU things happened... none of them ahd ever heard of a computer, so...
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:21:55.000Z
unfortunately being a program is only half the issue, his dark and mysterious backstory, kinda makes the other part a bit difficult.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:22:17.000Z
"Welcome to the club; we've got jackets."
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:22:29.000Z
indeed you do XD
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:24:07.000Z
as long as his brother doesn't show up, I think he's be OKish
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:24:53.000Z
If Clu2 does turn up he will get a very rude awakening.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:25:04.000Z
otherwise i'd have to immediately apologise to the player for him trying to take his head off first thing.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:25:14.000Z
And also probably a punch in the nose. If not immediately, then before too long.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:26:01.000Z
The KH crew tried to kill Xheanort immediately too. So it's definitely a Thing.
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T08:27:02.000Z
Yeah, sometimes reflexive attempted murder happens.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:27:58.000Z
oh, ive also got a strategey if CLU2 does come in without pure murder attempts past the first. He's gonna steal his energy. pettyness to the max.
Tanks4theMemory
2022-02-15T08:30:39.000Z
Whether you're talking like being a vampire or literally just swiping his dinner I'd be down with either. X3
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:31:52.000Z
nah, just swiping his dinner X3
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:32:10.000Z
unless Faux does become an energy vampire before then
ranoutofjello
2022-02-15T08:32:26.000Z
(i wonder if he can learn magic?)
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:36:35.000Z
Hey, one of the games Tanks and I were in recently, I warned people OOC that if any of the following characters show up (and there was a list) Agatha might attempt murder first, think after. And Clef totally DID try to destroy Zagato. Not kill, because he knew death wasn't permanent, but tried to DESTROY him.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T08:36:49.000Z
So... yeah. instant attack mode happens. Just discuss it OOC with the player, lol
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T08:45:36.000Z
There's a few Margulis would be like that with, too. Btu they're...let's just say Margulis could not win on his own.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T09:58:08.000Z
fair enough.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T09:58:24.000Z
In Agatha's case Bangladesh Dupree and her mom were at the top of the list. So... um.... >.>
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T10:07:21.000Z
No point trying to kill OTHAR TRYGGVASSEN, Gentleman Adventurer?
ChickletLARP
2022-02-15T16:33:59.000Z
Oh no, he's on the list too. She's just warned people that ith him it won't work. "Still will probably shoot him in the face. If only to see how in the world he manages to survive it."
E.S. Levi
2022-02-15T20:16:08.000Z
Clearly his sparky reality bending is focused heavily on improbable escapes.
ranoutofjello
2022-02-16T01:55:12.000Z
amusing how this ended up 'and i would attempt a murder if that one dude specifically walks by'
E.S. Levi
2022-02-16T02:05:05.000Z
XD I'm sure most canons have at least one.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-16T22:20:00.000Z
ROFL. Probably.
ChickletLARP
2022-02-16T22:20:27.000Z
Not sure Spark has anyone like that though. Except maybe Papillon or Endos. but those are both from CRAU.
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