It's one of those okay yeah it's frakked up but both these characters kinda Are. And also just. Kara and any relationship in general. I mean.

They are both so wonderfully frakked up and I am always here for it.

Kara and relationships full stop is frakked. I'm just. Still impressed and kinda freaked that Leoben of all people pushed her so far with the New Caprica arc in kidnapping her and with the little girl.

He is, 100%, a manipulative bastard and I love him for it. It was just brutal.

He pushed Kara. Kara, miss 'Fight em till we can't' to -- I dunno if you're aware of that deleted scene but she is That Desperate to escape the situation during the occupation when he has her. It's definitely messed up yeah.

oh yeah. I am very aware of that deleted scene. since if the best stuff comes out of those, for some reason. such an effort at gaslighting for a toaster

He really did go to such effort to keep her there and to try play happy families even when she kept just killing him over and over.

I'm pretty sure he got off on it. on that knowledge that even though she killed him, he'd just be back.

He just downloaded into another body and kept coming back to her anyway, yeah.

like trying to dig through stone with your bare hands. clawing and scratching and making no progress. kill me and I'll just download and come back.

Yup.