The difference between the people I know on here and those on Facebook is that we all think critically.

except a certain person who doesn't when it comes to a certain games publisher

But this idea that criticism is unjust because "critics don't understand comics" or anything is fucking absurd and it needs to stop.

Like, you can disagree with a critic for the things they say, but you need to be able to explain, from your point of view, just why that is the case. You can't just throw blanket terms out there like this.

Also critics ARE comic fans and when the movies both are bad and don't meet the expectations the critical fans have (hell some of them are bad because they ignore aspects of comic book expectations), it comes off really annoying. Nothing about the DCEU is like the comics or cartoons or even the LIVE ACTION SHOWS.

Meanwhile Marvel movies are partially written by actual comic book writers and try to live up to a fan expectation (until the trend of the post Ultimate universe destruction Marvel where they keep cramming MCU aspects into the comics and fucking everything up, but that's a different subject)

like if they just didn't meet the expectations of the comic, then that'd be fine, nobody would give a fucking flaming shit about it. That's how Michael Keaton's Batman worked out. It's how the Nolan Trilogy worked out.

But if they're bad that just makes you focus on the errors both as a film and it's adaptive qualities. There's a reason any DC movie that isn't called "Wonder Woman" in the past half a decade has just been absolute garbage or at best really mediocre and making the desperate fans blinded to it's problems (you know like what happened to Man of Steel)

Baasically.

also no matter what Joss did, he was only ever going to turn it from a pile of shit to a pile of garbage, the damage that exists by not setting the characters up and slowly world building instead of slamming them together for a team up immediately and going from there cause compete against Avengers more than just competing in general is too great

that and after Avengers 2 and recent revelations about him I think we all know it wasn't ACTUALLY going to be good

Well, the other thing about having Joss on the film after Snyder's departure is that there was never not going to be tonal problems with the movie.

Especially when the final cut is between 25 and 50% reshoots, which can be determined by Henry Cavill alone.

I mean in fairness, he also cut down the run time by 50 minutes, so that might be why there was some hope

And that was likely a course-correction due to the receptions of BvS and Suicide Squad.

of course that could just mean he was using less fucking slow mo slap cuts

SNYDER

Oh, yeah. He did.

it's almost like people don't want to watch fucking depressing Super Hero movies anymore if they aren't about FUCKING BATMAN

I almost think an editor was just given carte blanche to slash and burn the cut.

I think what would improve things a lot is if they stopped using color filters to make everything look dark and gritty

which is also Snyder's influence

everyone blames fucking Nolan being so popular it influenced everything after it- no that's just Snyder. The Watchmen movie was fucking weirdly filtered and dark, most of 300 was the same, SUCKER PUNCH MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN MONOCHROME

I mean, that's not really a Snyderism. That's just typical color correction to set the mood, right?

I mean people do it, but it seems really prominent with him

also that's not a good mood setter, it just makes everything washed out to me, I'd rather they use lighting- sure 90% of films are on green screens, but lighting still EXISTS

Yeah, he does like to use desaturated colors, which invokes a particular mood.

a mood that honestly doesn't work a lot

like SOME parts of Wonder Woman had the grey desaturation but those were during like fights and on the actual war front

Yeah. London was also pretty grey, but there was a point to making it look like that.

meanwhile whenever she's doing anything else- oh everything looks normal, it's like THE REAL WORLD HAS COLORS OR SOMETHING

The real world is not fucking ash grey and the idea that ash grey brings out realism is honestly stupid and I hate the idea

Anyways Joss couldn't save this even if he improved it and it's because again they care more about competing against the highest grossing marvel movie (at the time of them starting PLANNING the JL movie) than just understanding what audiences want

Honestly my biggest hope, if I had one, is that it'll be less jarring from it's reshoots than Suicide Squad was

Me too.

which was a movie that look like they awkwardly spliced two movies together, like as in during the middle of the editting software handling, not the "They should have made these parts a seperate movie and rushed it less" like Thor Ragnarok invokes.

Seriously the Joker plot just gets dropped like a rock, it's really weird, I just don't want THAT again

I love how our hopes for DC movies are so low that they're like "I just hope it clears the bar of Suicide Squad"

Like. Wonder Woman was a decent, important movie, but would people be praising it as "flawless" if our expectations weren't set by Suicide Squad and Catwoman?

I wouldn't count Catwoman cause she was made before the Nolan Batman trilogy

I do, since it was one of the few woman-led superhero movies.

Before Wonder Woman, there was Catwoman, Elektra, and probably one more horrible one I can't remember.

That's why I included it, not because it's DCU