I'm the biggest gay to ever fucking gay just like a massive chunk of this fandom

but god dammit Gency isn't the fucking devil and Pharmercy people really need to chill tf out

I'm all about Pharm. it's cute, even though Pharah is... barely a characterized hero

but all this doctor/patient discourse is just as stupid and reaching as Pharm age discourse.

it would be even dumber, imo, if some anti-Pharms weren't using the age thing for thinly veiled homophobic bullshit

esp since canonically, Mercy didn't do his upgrade operations. the lore in the recent update makes it pretty clear.

Overwatch fandom scares me.

Genji isn't even an asshole like what usually happens in these kinds of triangle fandom situations

why can't we have tese nice things

both these things

ugh, THIS

right?

pharmercy fans are legit nuts

i like both

which is a shame bc it could be cute but the fans get so crazy about it

They really are.

i also like both but pharmercy fans test me

gency is cute as hell just accept it

I'm, like, "Look, I like lesbians too, but WHY CAN'T WE TALK MORE ABOUT THE CANON ONES THAN THIS BICKERING OVER POTENTIAL ONES"

inorite, more tracer and emily content would be gr8

Please, people. I just love Tracer and Emily.

They're so dang cute.

I can understand where some of it comes from- Korrasami people got like this too, and it's largely because wlw are fucking sick and tired of having their ships delegitimized

and yeah, it is infuriating to be stuck between a rock and a hard place when you know that a het ship is inevitably going to be canon over your own

and if you make one peep about it, people say you're reaching for saying there's any chemistry there

Yeah. Like, a part of me feels for them, and the other part of me is sighing and shaking my head.

which just makes a feedback loop of wlw getting anrgier and more frustrated

yeah i've definitely seen it happen before

but pharmercy fans will legit harass michael chu on twitter for doing any gency hints in the lore and it's like

pls..... calm down.....

Personally, I want to care about Tracer and Emily, but Emily is barely even a character and I honestly don't give a shit about em

Yeaaaaaaaah

I'm just happy the actual poster child for the game is the canon gay.

that's fair

she's still basically a non-entity but

we'll see

I'm not mad that we've barely seen her, I just... don't have a reason to care about her yet

yeah

for me it's like, the problem isn't shipping pharmercy (the pun is pretty amazing) it's like, getting butthurt at the other ship for even existing

"she gay" isn't enough, tho YEAH, I'm beyond thrilled that the figurehead of the whole damn game is gay

like everybody just pick a canon and ship what you like

uh, corner, not canon

that's the gist of what I mean. I totally dig Pharm, and it's really cute how they match up in a unique mid-gameplay

I love gency as a platonic ship and i love pharmercy just because from a gameplay perspective i love flying after pharahs all LET ME HEAL YOU WITH MY LESBIAN LOVE BEAM but yeah it'd be nice to see more actual characterisation for pharah

likewise tracer and emily

how bout more characterization for everybody not in the blackwatch backstory

just in general

exactly. pharmercy is a totally viable ship! especially since a lot of the ships in this fandom require a lot of interpretation/stretching anyway. but don't attack other people for shipping something else...

pharah really needs more info about her, it's true

Yeah I don't even care about ships, just give me more stuff on Pharah.

I'm in the tiny corner that actually would not mind canon Gency. This canon is shallow and limited af, I really, really don't care about what they do or don't make "canon"

i wouldn't mind it either

trying to inject meaning where it obviously doesn't exist, where blizzard obviously didn't think for more than an hour or two about it, is pointless.

they're super cute ;;

I feel like ana has way more depth than pharah atm which is a shame because ana is great, she'd be even better with pharah being more solid to bounce off of

but i get the feeling blizzard will shy away from making any ships canon and will just tease stuff

Yeah like

like part of what makes genji and hanzo so engaging is how well-written both are

and their family dynamic

they're actually really sweet w each other

I have like... 2 het ships. I've reached the point where I roll my eyes at almost everything that comes my way bc I'm so tired of the same old bullshit

what's the other one

but even the little teases of Gency aren't... really the typical bullshit

Mulder/Scully lmfao

HAHA

some shits just in the stars ok

but anyway. that's my rant. thank you for listening lmao

it's a good rant

i always feel a bit odd being on the queer end of fandom and seeing just how terrible The Discourse gets over OW ships...

like, i don't really go here, my interest in ow is tertiary, but it still feels like i'm expected to side with pharmercy shippers just because i'm queer, and that's... ridiculous

yeaaaah

I don't side with anyone, particularly, other than the fans who want rabid Pharms to just let Michael Chu do his damn job

and like, the poster girl being gay feels like way more of a "victory" in terms of the game's sociopolitical impact that any given ship could be, so it feels more strange that this is something people feel is a big enough deal to get this crazy over

it's bc it's not actually about having representation/impact, but I'm sure you can guess that

it's a thinly veiled excuse for a ship war

to bring back the lok metaphor, having a queer couple in the series would have meant less in the long run than the main character being queer, so it was a huge deal when korra and asami were confirmed

yeah, i figured

mixing sociopolitical discourse with shipwars is just the goddamn worse

which, YEAH, like I said, I know exactly where it comes from. I got my fair share of insufferable makorra anons in 2012-4 lmao

yeah, exactly

that was everything to me. I was unpacking all sorts of gay-related traumas and problems when I was 19 when that finale aired

and a few days later I just sat in my living room and cried for a half an hour bc it meant so much to me

and if I were to reapply those feelings in the perspective of Overwatch..? Tracer is way more important.

ship wars annoy me so much

Tracer would have made me beyond overjoyed 4 years ago

same

I hope we get more comics at least with trader and emily

Tracer is such a huge win for mainstream representation.

I remember just gasping and then jumping up out of my seat in excitement when I saw the lok finale, what a good time that was

tracer * thanks phone

meanwhile I was introduced to tracer through the butt pose wank and was just UGH HERE WE GO, BLIZZARD SEXUALISING FEMALE CHARACTERS FOR THE MALE GAZE ONCE AGAIN but they actually fixed their shit and now we have beautiful canon gay poster girl

bless u progressive fandoms

EXACTLY that is an instance where fandom stepping up was actually reasonable

like, i feel examining the sociopolitical impact of our media, of our fiction especially (video games ESPECIALLY especially) is incredibly important, but i almost think it's gone too far, because now we have

The Discourse

and it's just so exhausting

We've got a character who is the public face of a game for a huge, popular gaming company, and she's queer. That's so huge. But yeah, it ends up getting buried under ship wars.

and proved that that kind of bullshit has less and less of a place as the world becomes smaller and more media is forced to acknowledge that different kinds of people exist

yes, definitely

did you see the ign thing where Jeff was responding to comments and one was asking if they only care about making women characters and he responded "Yes, and soon we will release a patch to remove Genji, Hanzo" etc

LMAO yes

hahahahaha

jeff would never remove hanzo he's a hanzo main

hanzo mains are the real oppressed people here

save them

where is the discourse around hanzo mains guys