This is AWESOME

perhaps, although I think simpler is better. And I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy...

mikel1: It seems to rely upon bluetooth communications which means that the bluetooth device must be working... and in proximity to the gun... not something upon which I want to bet my life...

mrdinger: not sure if it needs bluetooth to unlock, or just to send you alerts...if the latter I like it.

Not useful for revolvers or shotgun though. But there are other options 10 Fast-Access Gun Safes for Home Defense - Gun Digest

mikel1: I was just going to say that!

NO if you watch the vid it clearly has a fingerprint reader where you put your thumb, It would have prevented Sandihook!

AND the perp in Sindihook stole mom's guns out of her gunsafe

Makemeaspark: Not sure what it has - in other parts of the video the user turns a combination wheel to unlock it. A combination lock would have "prevented" Sandy Hook (or more likely he would just have waited

until the mother took the guns out to use or clean them, and then killed her and taken them - I don't think a simple mechanical device will stop something like that).

THIS ALSO would prevent pretty much ALL of the accidental shootings by a child finding a gun in the house!

Again... not if you have a revolver or a shotgun...

SO you are against saving small children's lives?

I didn't say that

all I said that that this device doesn't work on revolvers..

I am saying it would prevent the unlawful use of handguns, MAYBE not ALL of them but geez...

when you said "pretty much all"... I decided to chime in...

my main point was something like this is a much better option than banning guns.

While I agree with that... the people who want to ban guns don't really care about such devices - though they pretent to...

true but making them safer is a start

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Delaurion: agreed, but we already have gun locks, and some perhaps better than this. Sorry about the length, but I want to address a few points.

- regarding Sandy Hook only a combination lock would have done anything. A biometric lock is easy to open if you kill the person - just use their fingerprint. Likewise a key. And quite frankly, it's not hard

to use bolt cutters, etc. to defeat a lock if you're willing to kill to do it.

so even a combination lock would have minimal impact.

- regarding saving kids from accidental use, no lock will help if it isn't used. The vast majority of these cases are from criminals' kids. The criminals are unlikely to use the locks, even if we make the locks

mandatory (like in CA).

- regarding unauthorized use, like I said there are many good options. I have several gun safes and a speed vault. Do I think that would stop my kids? No. That's why my #1 method to keep them safe is education.

I have drilled into their heads gun safety to the point where they yell at me if I don't clear a gun repeatedly every 2 seconds. And if I thought one of them were depressed or having issues I would take

additional measures (like getting them out of the house except for one that I took multiple precautions with).

- for that matter every gun sold in the US comes with a free lock. And the NRA and other organizations will give you a free gun lock on request Project ChildSafe |

mikel1: I didn't know that! Do you need to be a member of the NRA?

But no amount of locks, or laws, will keep these kids safe

mrdinger: No. I'm sot sure who you'd contact though I've heard they do it. Project Childsafe (link above) is the National Shooting Sports Foundation - another good organization.

For that matter I would bet any gun store you walk into and say you need a gun lock for your kids but can't afford one would hand you one. But they are not that expensive anyway.

I have a bunch of these - I like them because they keep the trigger covered, and it doesn't matter what kind of gun it is https://smile.amazon.com...

Looks like Project Childsafe distributes free gun locks through most local police departments as well.

Ok so this is a bad idea, because of all the exceptions so go tell the guy to stop developing it, it is useless, because it will not stop all accidental deaths or thefts of firearms...

Personally, If I get a gun, I want one of these on it

Makemeaspark: be my guest. I will use my combination locked speed safe.

But for the record, stop putting words in our mouths. Neither mrdinger or I said it was a bad idea or that we wanted kids to have access to guns.

I'm simply pointing out that this would have had no impact on Sandy Hook (if it's biometric) and that there are other solutions one the market - you don't have to wait for this device in order to keep kids safe

apparently it is a PIN CODE NOT fingerprint

Of the child shooting deaths in which there was sufficient information available to make the determination, 70 percent (62 of 89 cases) could have been prevented if the firearm had been stored locked

source https://everytownresearc...

I would not trust any data from that organization - it is usually "doctored" but even accepting that statistic, the existence of gun locks does not make the guns locked. In fact the existence of gun lock laws

forget it then, Dom your post is stupid apparently

in some states does not seem to affect the rate at which this happens.

Makemeaspark: calm down. Nobody said the post or the lock were stupid.

I would not have said any of it had you not insisted that this one product would solve all existing problems. It won't. Doesn't mean that it isn't a worthwhile product or a cool piece of technology.

who said this would solve all existing problems?

Delaurion: see above "THIS ALSO would prevent pretty much ALL of the accidental shootings by a child finding a gun in the house!" and then said mrdinger and I are "against saving small children's lives"

mikel1: I am very careful in how I parse my sentences, and I know that almost never make imparative statements. I am well known for that, and have been told I make an excellent debater because I

leave room for possibilities in all that I assert.

The way I see it, is if folks are not using the locks we have now, SO if we come up with six more types of locks and paint them in custom colors or whatever, maybe folks will find one they connect with and

start using it.

Makemeaspark: you do realize those quotes above are copied from your plurks above? But we should not be arguing. Neither mrdinger nor I said it was a bad idea or that we didn't want them to be made. We are

We are all agreeing it is a cool idea.

I admit to being a little touchy when people say that this tech will solve gun safety problems. The realities are way more complex.

For instance, spurred on by Everytown (which is a Bloomberg front) several states decided that biometric guns were such a great idea they legislated that once the first biometric gun is sold in the US then

in those states all non-biometric weapons will become illegal. This had the effect of destroying the smart gun market (nobody wants to be the guy who sells the gun that starts that battle). Of course they

said the reason was the NRA doesn't want children to be safe. In reality the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" and NSSF's Childsafe programs are doing more to keep children safe than Everytown, whose real agenda is to ban

private ownership of guns.