lol and this why blog hits mean shit
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28k hits for 4 months of blogging
means that she´s spamming it to reddit
and no wonder the lost my panties got so many hits
post a lost my panties title blog post to a random pics subeddit mostly filled with rl women pics and sugestive titles and you´re bound to get hits
all of them
meaning she´s not getting SL hits at all basically
so before you ask a blogger how many hits he gets
think twice
I dunno, maybe it would interest people in SL? and i know there's an SL subwhatever they are called on reddit
so maybe she's posting there? I personally think it's smart advertizing....and you never know WHO plays
she´s not posting it to the sl subreddit
Who is that person? Do you have a link to their flickr? I'm just interested to see what their pics and stuff are like.
i get a few hits from there
she does post to the SL reddit and gaming ones. so i don't see why her hits aren't legit
the only ones that aren't are in anything goes and if you see only 15 out of her 38 are posted there
because she´s not getting tfrom the sl reddit
but from a anyhing goes one
a post labeled NSFW called lost my panties in a regular rl subreddit
and honestly? what does it matter? she's actively promoting her blog in every way possible. It's a designer's decision whether to give her review copies or not and to check facts out etc
she´s not promotting her blog
she´s spamming reddit
her famous 28k hits are not by sl people
people who won´t buy whatever she´s bllogging about
she´s a spammer
nothing else
Persey: Surely, if a blogger tells you she gets certain Ks hits, you will ask for proof? And when given this screenshot, you can find out how she got this numbers, like Ely just did, and reject the app?
I think blog hits are important, I mean, there's no sense inviting a blogger who is gonna expose your stuff to 10 people over one who is gonna show 100. But I don't think it's that hard to figure out
Designers have the responsibility to understand this too, so it's not always bloggers fault. At least she will be honest when she said her hits are such, even if it's not going to be effective.
whose stats are legit or not. I would be able to tell from that girls flickr that those stats were not.
this is where she´s posting stuff AnythingGoesPics: A place to post any pic you desire, that includ... and getting hits from
between half dressed rl women she´s baiting for hits
along with her name of dolly loli to draw attention
not ALL of her hits are from that sub reddit. She posted 15 out of her 38 there. So to say that ALL the hits are from non SLers is false
and why on earth pick apart a blogger? leave her be. She's advertizing her blog or spamming it whatever. it's HER blog and it's up to the designer to research the hits
look i´m not picking apart this blogger i care 0 about her
her number are a fraud tho
and makes all bloggers look bad
mos of us don´t cater to rl loli fetish on reddit for hits
I politely disagree.
we actually work and present our work to SL people
people who will actually buy the stuff and have interest in it
she´s fraudelent period
i doubt the dudes looking for rl loli "i dropped my panties" pics will
I'm guessing they will, actually, if only to get themselves some pixel loli. XD
On a serious note, I actually like her so I may be biased here. But I do find that the responsibility to check for legit stats or not is on designers who even ask for it in the first place.
Cos don't you submit screenshot of hits for proof, otherwise anyone can just pull numbers from thin air and put it on the app. SO. With hits like that, I would look up this place and see what sort of audience.
it´s stupid to ask for it in apps tbh
^YUP
anyone can fake stats
most blogs who show counters are usually fake btw
unless you analyze all the traffic sources you have no idea how the hits are gotten
I learnt how useless this was from one honest Flickr-er. When she declined micro-blogging something, said she would be useless because her Flickr stats are mostly RL people liking her virtual landscapes pics.
well anyone who knows marketing knows databases and hits are important
but more important are real hits and names from customer/target audience
i actually admire this blogger for looking to new ways of promoting the blog. and i had NO idea who she was before this plurk. anyways...no point in arguing this any longer <3
on my end i mean
it´s why those mailing lists mean nothing unless you´re actually reaching for actual target audiences
mind you in understand why someone seeing berry´s blog would be maybe curious
here is the thing sure you can advertise sl to non sl peeps but the chances of any of them making an account and logging in are very small when they looking for something interelly diferent and they find these
blog posts, let´s say you´re looking for game of thrones gifs and find in the middle a link to a iphone game with a tag that says GoT and a not NSFW title of the Viper
now how would you fell? would you go oh nice game
or go spammers and return to looking at GoT gifs
this sort of issue is avided by a lot of companies because for the 1/2 people it atracts it pisses of way more
if for example she was posting these to let´s art or gamming and even actual loli subbredits within a comunity she migth be actually doing a better job at getting SL new users
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From a marketing perpsective good marketing means targetting the proper markets and market segments that are most likely to be interested in your product. I do agree with Ely on this one. Casting too wide a net
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results in numbers yes.. but its primarily empty numbers. It would be fantastic to make the community grow or assist it rather but just like how SL's marketing is not exactly working via facebook.. so is
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casting that wide net to reddit
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A lot of folks don't realize just how much research goes into marketing. As a designer learning about the marketing end of the spectrum.. I'm realizing there is way more to it than I initially thought.
I agree it is not very effective and this particular stats is reaching. But, in saying that, she is the mod for several groups in SL that is the target audience for the style she is blogging for.
she spams every group she can on flickr also i have her blocked at least on one event flickr groups
^Ah yes, that would be a problem...
I was talking about inworld group though.
i´m pretty sure if she spams everywhere out of world she´s probably doing it inworld also
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I'm not going to get into whether or not the person in question is a good egg or bad egg.. lol but I do agree that blog hits shouldn't be a deciding factor. There are numerous ways to pad them artifically and
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as I've stated before in another plurk thread.. it should come down to high quality posts moreso than numbers. =) Good quality posts (even if its someone starting out and showing promise) count in my book much
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further than stuff like numbers. I think it feels more like a symbiotic relationship between the bloggers and designers at that point rather than 1-sided
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Good quality merchandise and good quality posts.. I think both the bloggers and designers will grow and work off one another at that point =D
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The one thing I really have been wanting lately.. is people who want to post my designs because they like them.. the designs are their style etc. It makes them much more passionate about doing blog posts.
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The reason I, as a designer, love SL.. is because I can create what I want as opposed to what someone else tells me to do (like my RL job) I think this carries over with blogging too.
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Bloggers and Designers/events need to really fit one another. This is one of the reasons I think Cursed events really works out so well. The bloggers that get on the team have an interest in the genres being
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ok I gets off da soap box nao.. almost time for lunch hands mic back to Elybeans
lol
thanks syn mind you i haven´t made any coments on her blog or pics i don´t wannt to be mean
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just a good example on how blog stats are easily manipulated
and it just makes me question why other bloggers whould be held up to these artificial standards
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runatsurine: sorry who are you?
sorry who called anyone names?
well she´s free to read it i´m public i just never heard of you or seen you my timeline it´s why i asked
this is a follow up on a previous plurk i did about events asking for blog stats
and how those could be easily faked or adulteraded
to inflate a blog´s reach
well from what i understand she shared this
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So far, I dont really see anything horrible. I see a bunch of SL community members politely debating a point.
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So far this plurk has not turned ugly. Ely is mostly just trying to make a point related to her other plurk about how relevant stats really are
i don´t really care who she is tbh i+m not comenting on her blog looks or anything tbh i don´t care for drama i´m more concerned with infllated numbers
This is a relevant conversation to have (e.i. Do blog hit number really indicate a good blogger or not?) I do understand everyone's point of view. & I don't think badly about Doli Loli either. She innovated.
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In fact I made a point not to discuss the person's integrity and in fact have pointed out how the blog stats themselves should not be so heavily weighed as to whether or not the bloggers are accepted
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to an event or to blog a store
and this fake idea that blog numbers mater when they are manipulated like this
so easily
because at the end of the day all of us bloggers end up setting up standards
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I agree with some of the posters here in applauding her efforts to get more exposure for her blog, I just feel that she should research her target markets a bit more so that she can get her blog exposure...
i don´t reflect myself on this stats at all
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set to the right target markets/people
if she spent more time trying to reach more people in her sl niche or even that same niche in rl she would probabbly be way more sucesseful
in reaching a more interested audience
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nodnod Agreed. But really to the person who entered this plurk saying we are mudslinging.. that is the extent of our interest in what the girl is doing.
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I think that what should be most important to bloggers is very similar to what should be most important to designers.. that is to say.. always try your best to present your work in the best possible light.
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Always try to learn new things and expand your skill set with each post or creation.. etc =)
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Present your information in a logical manner that is easy for the viewer to read.. and the products in a way that you can tell what they are within the setting
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really these are ideals that are even good for ads.
i´m sorry but she is a menber of several loli groups groups in sl from what i understand
runatsurine: Lolita Fetish is not offensive, Ely wasn't slamming her for the fetish. She meant her using Reddit Lolita lovers in RL to look at an SL post. Lolita is her target market.
see i don´t care about lolita groups but she is clearing targeting rl lolita interestes when her posts are target to specific rl reddits like the one i linked above
see that reddit she got so many hits from has mostly sujestive tiitles RL ones
when she posts something titled NSFW lost my Panties by Dolly loli on a general subreddit where some of the post next to it are busty beach babes
runatsurine: No one here said it was offensive. -_-
sorry you can´t argue that is not sexualized
an done to get as much clicks as possible
again i don´t care and i´m not gonna sit and judge anyone´s preferences
i don´t care much about what peeps do in private tbh
but i´m not gonna pretend it´s not presented in a sexualized context to get as many hits as possible
i know pretty much how sex sells more in rl than in sl even anyone here knows if you show a little boob you get more clicks
because there is an interest in it and it´s fine i don´t judge that
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let me ask this..
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Runa.. do you know the blogger personally who's stats are posted?
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cause if not, you are coming into a thread kicking and screaming for reasons that you believe are there but are not really.. the primary part of the discussion is something you are COMPLETELY blowing off
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and that is about stats and what aspects of choosing bloggers would be most desirable on applications.
ANYWAY. I'll point out why I think she is still effective, those numbers aside. 1) She puts a lot of work in her post content, it's not just snap pics and credits.
2) She mods and is a member of several group that is in her target market. 3) She hasn't deviate from her Loli style, which means she is niching quite well.
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What I am saying.. is that you are thinking we are attacking her personally and we are not
imagine i take pics of my sl mesh dog and then go post it on a subreddit called omg cuteness and call it my new pet
how many people will curse me under their breath for that?
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We are using her stats as a basis of discussion as to whether or not stats themselves are relevant
people who expected to see an actual RL dog pic
someone´s new pet
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Zee, I havent been to her blog but I think that if she is doing hard work with her posts and its presentation, she doesnt need to be posting to extraneous sources that are irrelevant to the post content =)
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And I applaud her for doing well as a blogger in general
if she has a niceh and covers it great for her
she doesn´t need to do this tho for hits
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Taisynn is the blogger? I only know her a little bit
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but I find her to be a very sweet personality
she will get her hits at the end of the day
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that being said.. I think discussions like this is a way of all of us learning from one another.. different ways of thinking
niches love their dedicated bloggers
they do they will follow them forever really
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oh definiately Ely.. niches seem to develop followings far more quickly than something which is mainstream
she has no need to inflate those numbers tho
at all
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and they are devoted followings
they are
i didn´t take the pic and i posted on my lunch hour in a rush
i can change that sec and delete links
i don´t care about fights
i do think this is a important discussion tho
it´s becoming norm to ask bloggers to say how many hits they have
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I do as well. I know quite a few bloggers who are really devoted to what they do.. who have gotten bypassed because of rules like this
and it´s ridiculous
and one of the things new bloggers neew to know it´s not important
and they don´t have to use ways like this one
and others that are out there to get more hits
synjari: She does put in a lot of work in her blog. 
It's not my thing at all, but I can acknowledge effort. Though, you guys are right that there is no need to inflate numbers like that.
It's not my thing at all, but I can acknowledge effort. Though, you guys are right that there is no need to inflate numbers like that.
But I can't help feeling that this is also the product of the latest trend where designers ask for stats and some bloggers are stressing to hit those stats.
causing a ridicolous non real idea of stats
we´ve talk the other day about bots
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just so you all know.. as a designer I NEVER ask for stats.. I am far more interested in if the blogger's style fits my own.. basically.. would they be a customer of mine if they werent a blogger.
and professionalisn
and tagging
and adding everything to flickr
the other day i did a test
i moved a pic up my flickr pool to see how it affected stats
i was really amazed how much it did do that
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wow.. so thats how some people manage to get number hits so fast
yep
and so many views on flickr
since they changed the model the hits also grew
because i thinking checking contacts now counts as a view also
synjari: I think it is very recent trend, to ask about stats. I can't be sure, cos I do homeblogging which is in short supply anyway and they don't ask for stats.
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there are always workarounds to inflate numbers
most of them end up causing saturation tho and anoying more people in the long run than whatever expossere they might get tbh
most people for example end up unfollowing people who do that much unless they are designers and don´t push it
mind you there are ways of reshowing your pics and work to people who might have missed it
in ways that are neither spammier or anoying
my favourite is additional content adition
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but that means work and doing these workarounds are faster and easier
sharing is also a great way to get more exposure
i love sharing pretty things and thats why i beame a blogger and why i follow so many people
specially on flickr and why i love sharing my favourites on plurk and everywhere
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I do hope that people start putting less stock by numbers as decision maker and moreso to content, presentation and relevance =)
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omg yes Shae
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If someone is blogging an item that they bought.. huuuge bonus points because that means they truly like what they are blogging enough to put money behind it.
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it means youre likelier to be blogged regularly too
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^ sooo much that, Shae
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thats what I love seeing.. people who truly enjoy what I make
i love bloggers who are just getting strated and show promise
i have a list of names i check often to see how they are doing
but i can garantee i don´t give a shit about blog stats of flickr views it´s all about look, professionalism and how the store stuff looks on you and well you rock it
first thing i know chandra always looks for is: can this person represent me
you know i don´t go that way personaly
i have 1000 things i my inventory i never unboxed nad bougth tho i really wanted to blog them
mostly due to lack of time or the perfect idea
i don´t apply to actually blog stuff anymore
i don´t even blog properly tbh
i take snaps when i can and credit stuff but i don´t even tag them anymore
or add slurls
lol
i still spend way much time on pics than i usd to
you get way more hard on yourself the longer you blog i think
and it becomes easier to just trash something that is not working
seriously blogging is hard work and it takes a lot of time
most the time is the issue depending on how you do it
it´s just not snap pic done let´s go party
Yeah, what Shae said. The more 'sponsors' a blogger has on her page, the more wary I am, especially if they only blog once a week. It can feel like work.
I only blog regularly for 4 brands and their releases are stacked on top of each other, imagine 10 or more!
GADDDDDD sponsors i hate that word
About posting in usual places as a recruitment tool to SL. Would you think posting for 2 years in a place with 3D Hobbyists making lots of renders would drum up interest in SL? Afterall, SL is faster & Cheaper?
Nope. I get only 5 hits a week from this source, and none of my old buddies made the jump to SL
BishieStyleSL: i think it depends on what type of blog posts
they would have to be very specifc to get them interested
ElyHynes: All of them.
not just your usual fashion post
People who followed me before, I was doing Bishie. Doing Bishie now too. None of them would switch
because they probably just ignore all post now since they didn´t really got interested in first tbh
When I get a nice mesh body and mesh head for SL, I think that will be game changer. They will be ditching $2000 a month for 3d for SL then
you should try maybe furniture
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Honestly, there is an extra step I do for folks I dont know.. if they havent blogged me.. I check in my vendor web panel history if they ever purchased from me at the very least.
ElyHynes: furniture?
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It does hold a bit more weight for me if they love the brand or at least the brand's style. If I see blog posts with similar or comparable items to my style.. I know itll be a pretty good fit.
mind you when promoting SL outside is very complicated specially to other creative online communities
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but Im with you also on the professionalism and promise, Ely.. those are equally as important to me
skyrim mods are not very fond of sl creators
neither are a lot of renderosity creatives
and unless we work on our communities reputation in general
community even
ElyHynes: Yes. They can't stay haters for much longer. Cyber Warz will change eveyrthing
we´re hardly well recieved
ElyHynes: There is always a trend of progress. 3d Models used to be extremely expensive. Then slowly innovations happen. Software price goes down. Easier to learn. Price of models go down.
don´t forget 3d printing
seriously that will change a lot in the future
and i mean a lot
ElyHynes: When HyFY, Yahoo Virtual, Apple Virutal, Google Virtual etc all go online, the pressure to bring down cost will mount. There will be more consumers, so it's ok. The market wil boom, imho
ElyHynes: They can 3D print a house already
and hopefully laws won´t take forever to catch up
I saw a 3d print dress. XD it dont look too conformable. lol But Iron Man movie he wore 3d print armor
My point is, yeah SL was successfully trashed in the mainstream. But that doesn't mean progress had been stopped. Instead it left SL alone to finetune virtual worlds. SL is ahead of the pack of new rivials.
HyFy I think will fix all that was wrong in the old code. But time will tell who will win the Cyber War
aww silly wars
pew pew pew back
aww grumpy cat my animal spirit
I tried to find you a grumpy cat pew pew pew, but grumpy dont do pew pew pew
XD
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grumpy doesn´t do pew pew pew at all
omg love the badass lazerz pic.. sharing!
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Im very glad that you're getting good results from it Taisynn. Seriously.. if youre doing help to grow the community then sure keep doing as yer doing =) but if you didnt get those results then it would just
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mean adjusting the marketing angle =)
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also glad that you're being proactive with the pervvy ones that latched onto ya 
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mind you, you're trying to be responsible in how yer doing it which is cool.. but there are others out there that do tricks to pad their numbers.. so going back to the intial point Ely was trying to say..
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You should be chosen as a blogger on merit of your work quality.. ethics, etc and not because your numbers are x amt
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=)
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because then others (and Im not trying to lump you into this category) may get unfairly chosen as a blogger but may be a bit of a deadbeat in the actual blog posts, over someone else who may work hard.
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why so many people think they have a need to bash someone or start drama.... does it make them feel better?
Taisynn: i have no issues removing a image when asked it´s now done
tho i think it might have fallen under fair use or the agumennt a screenshot isin´t really your ip
i also don´t think you either understand the concept of scapegoat and no no matter what your pp says there´s no slander happening
FrozenRage: empty accounts made today to come in and make passive agressive comments get blocked sorry next time try at least using your sl name
i´m gonna lock this plurk tbh it was made days ago and nothing was added to conversation really and i have 0 patience when sockpuppet accounts show up