Because politics in the US are such a fucking disaster, and there's a large contingent actively trying to create a massive social schism

they can capitalize on to further their own bigoted agenda, mostly.

oh i understand that you have morons running against dickheads, but its always the same thing

To me, at least, it actually feels like they're trying to instigate a culture war here. And having lived in a few different countries, I

Also the political campagning schedule is way longer then any where else

so why does everyone still talk about it?

think I've something of a perspective on it.

They've pitted us against each other to make us poke and rant.

You'd have to live in it to really appreciate it, I think, but short form answer is, it's still talked about because it's getting worse, and

oh i'm not trying to start a culture war, i genuinely dont understand.

the ignorance is becoming not only more brazen, but even proud of itself, the discreet racism is becoming less discreet, etc.

I don't mean you.

in the uk and in canada (ive lived in both) when people are annoyed at all the candidates we just ignore them ALL and dont vote. at all

I mean certain people/factions here in the US

ahh ok

They're trying to create a culture war, so they can use it to their advantage, and take back priviledge they've "lost" as something

^

I agree.

approaching marginal true equality is on the horizon.

Unfortunately, we go by the theory that if you don't vote, you can't bitch..so everybody has to pick somebody to vote for.

And I've lived in the US, in Canada, and in Europe, and I can honestly say the climate of ignorance and provocation in the US is unique.

its funny because it always seems to hinge on the same crap: abortions, gays, healthcare and who can fuck up the economy the least.

same old story again and again

Yep. Because everybody keeps fucking up everything.

Prime example- the UK has the BNP, but they're not really taken seriously by anybody but themselves, they're a joke.

Here in the US, the equivalent of the BNP are a viable, high-profile group, who actually are taken seriously.

honestly i dunno that id say that you guys are that ignorant about your political stuff, its all anyone talks about.

in the canada and the uk, nobody cares enough to talk about it

No, what a lot of them talk about is the propaganda they've been fed by certain media outlets.

yeah the bnp does seem to be a bit of a joke

They don't actually know, or understand, much of it at all.

yeah but at least they talk about it, here (uk) nobody talks about it unless its to make fun of someone's eyebrows.

and in canada we dont really talk about it at all!

That's the thing, though- they don't really talk about it.

They scream it at the opposition, and refuse to listen to anything anyone else has to say.

I mean, hell, there are political ads on television, regular circulation, right now, that are easily, and demonstrably, 100% false.

it just seems so funny that its such a long, drawn out, dog-and-pony show over something that is irrelivant

no matter who gets elected, nothing will change

Completely fabricated. And yet, people will still parrot that shit, rather than doing the slightest bit of research, and then belligerently

efend it.

That's also not true, thatnothing will change.

hey will STILL fuckit all up, and by the end of the term, everyone will say "they broke all their promises, boo hiss!" and then oust them

There has been a spate of hugely transformative laws passed on the state level in the past few years, that some parties are trying to get

everyone thinks it wil change,but nothing does. it still will be a pile of capitalist nonsense

passed on a national level. Laws that enable an employer to fire a woman solely for being on birthcontrol, for example.

srsly? thats a law?

Yes.

This is the kind of shit some of us have to fight against nonstop, because if we ever do quit fighting, it'll get ramrodded through.

Or, for example, laws that give parental rights to rapists who impregnate their victims.

Also a real law in numerous states.

i meant REAL changes. like actualy fixing your econmy, or your messed up healthcare system. not teeny fixes, REAL ones

States are trying to pass laws making it illegal to teach evolution in schools.

huge major reforms.

also there needs to be a law against morons.. who lets these laws pass?

And the healthcare reform process has begun, but the other side is openly saying that, if they get elected, they're going to undo everything

Obama and company have done towards that end.

rape parents? birthcontrol firings? ignorant education? wtf.

This is why it gets talked about a lot, and why some of us fight against this shit constantly.

Because if we don't, then the people who pass this shit get to define life in this country for everyone.

its a bit retarded that it needs to be talked about.. other civilized countries dont tolerate that crap.

Yeah, but other countries went through it in the past, as well- you have to recall the age difference of the nations here.

and 4 years to fix healthcare? its simple. pay a small monthly fee, and dont get raped by hospitals?

canada is the same age as you

(am canadian living with the brits)

Yeah, but Canada is also technically still affiliated withthe Commonwealth, isn't it? An independent nation, but still modeled a bit after,

and connected to, the Brits, in many ways.

we are part of the common wealth, but they dotn exert any control over us, despite what the uk and the rest of the world think.

trudeau emancipated us form mommy queen in the 70s

Yeah, but it's not an issue of control- it's a cultural thing.

Being part of the CommonWealth has certain elements of shared culture, a certain degree of civility, traditions, etc.

true, but with HC, its diff. in canada, we pay a monthly premium (some provinces at least) and pay for perscriptions.

in the uk HC is 'free' and perscrips are only 11 quid(or soemthing)

Yeah, but again- that's a specific. I'm just talking overall culture(s), and just generally how things are done, and how people act.

and honeslty id have to say that we hav emore in common with youguys than the brits..

Also, in the US, the days of ignorance are on the wane, in some ways- the anti-gay, anti-women, pro-racism, pro-patriarchy people are

and honeslty if things are workign in common wealth countries, why dont the americans stop messing around

nd ook at what the commonwealth is doign right

d try to do the same

pardon my typing, its late and im sleepy

losing ground, losing acceptance, and losing the fight to keep people who aren't White Christian Conservative Heterosexual Males down.

Death throes are never pretty, nor are they quiet.

no but why re they taking so damned long! just shoot it in the head and get it over with! lol

So, of coursethey're tantruming as loudly as possible, and being dragged kicking and screaming. It's the same shit that happened in the

Civil Rights era.

As for why they don't just get their shit together, don't ask me. I neither know, nor care- I'm more in favor of just executing bigots than

bothering to try to talk to them.

Only thing I hold lower than bigotry is rape. No tolerance whatsoever for either.

.. so am i. round them up and burn them in pits. the are bugging the rest of the world.

Works for me. Fuck'em, they're useless anyway, and all they do is poison the minds of the gullible and the young.

on the flip side, at least people there talk about it and VOTE. i, and mos other young people have NEVER voted, because we just dont care

it makes me nuts though that news outlets around the rest of the word have to hear about it. i don't give 2 shits about romney or obama.

yet i knwo more abtou them than the prime ministers of canada OR the uk.

and that seems messed up.

I would agree that is usually how it has been in US politics up until Obama ran for president. Since then its been the worst I could imagine

with parties, and candidates sinking to outrageous new lows, and saying such unthinkable things. Its past ignoring.

and instead of idiots &. dickheads you have zealots x 100

WhimsyWinx: Exactly. There's so much grotesque lowest-common-denominator and blatant xenophobia politics, it's sickening.