do you have better system concept than democracy?

that's why the US has a representative democracy, in theory it should work better than that, until you actually elect the idiots.

jason: the problem comes when citizens electing idiot are majorities

ZulfikarH: welcome to the United States. that's what happens here. people get elected on charisma, not their minds. we have elected

… people in congress who don't know how to use email, but vote on bills that effect technology.

jason in Indonesia too

jason: that is what happened in Indonesia too. [facepalm]

ZulfikarH George Ought to Help

when the representatives aren't actually represent their people, that's when the country meets it's downfall.

jason: Welcome to the World, that kind of incompetence is not monopolized by the U.S. but exists in every democratic country on this planet

jason: Welcome to the World, that kind of incompetence is not monopolized by the U.S. but exists in every democratic country on this planet

I would much prefer deliberative democracy, where decision is not made through voting or represented voting

bambu: i think that to be a citizen in any variant of democracy, you should have to immigrate to your own country when you reach voting age

i think it would give people a little more respect for what they have and a little more awareness about their place in the machinery

bambu in Spain there are groups of people working to make Direct Democracy come true, even mixed with Representative Democracy

For example, a real political party was created to make it real

If this political party gets at least one member in the parliament, that member will do what people choose via Internet...

But people via Internet don't need to vote everything, they can choose another party, with the advantage that they can change it anytime

(usually, in most democracies, you cannot change your vote until the next 4 years, so if they don't do what they promised, you're fucked)

In democracy, you get what you paid for. if you just wanna get laid back, vote once in every 4 year and make your tax, that's what probably~

~happened. on the other hand, if you keep your voice be heard by others, actively educate your society, things might not be that bad ..

jus my 2 cents though ...

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i prefer anarchy, but then again anarchy doesn't contradict democracy

That is why we need an emperor! 2.bp.blogspot.com/-fkOuf...

actually, even Aristotle (the one who invinted democracy itself) said that monarchy is better than democracy

vl_s: really?

m3g4n3kun: then monarchy is not better when the monarch or his functionary is too voracious right

that makes aristocracy the best among others (from Aristotle's point of view)

o hai, Philippines

It's time for a technocracy!

Acido: That's unusual, I wonder how effective would it be. In most democracies, you have a recall mechanism to rescind the authority of

your representative by having another voting to decide whether the representative help up their campaign promises or not.

Btw, this is one of the most coherent & rational discussion in amix's plurk lately, this is what plurk is about, quality discussions!

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I may be late to jump to this discussion, but I'm very intrigued to comment.

m3g4n3kun: in Aristotelian democracy, democracy is not the same with the one we know in modern nation-state

Aristotelian democracy practices what we now call direct democracy where each person literally chose directly their own leader

the model was based mostly on the Athens. though regarded as "forefather of democracy", it is incorrect to say Aristotle as "inventor"

Thomas Hobbes' & John Locke's idea of social contract is more similar to be laid out as foundation of modern democracy

the model of Schumpeter's democracy & Dalton's are also essential to be regarded in terms of it.

I think it is not easy to say "democracy is this", or "democracy is that". it really depends on what model you're referring to

bambu: the idea of deliberative democracy is intriguing, but the concept itself is widely misunderstood.

I don't think there exists a state which practices deliberative democracy in its truest form.

the debate among scholars regarding deliberative democracy mostly concludes it as an utopist model

I once read Twitter can be seen as a form of deliberative democracy, but the writer is taking it too far.