I don't understand planking... Really.

2011-09-21T04:50:36.000Z

they think its cool. I don't know why, either

2011-09-21T04:50:51.000Z

certainly the slaves who were "planked" didn't see it that way

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MikeT

2011-09-21T05:13:10.000Z

I don't understand it either. It's like "Nakadapa ka. now what?" Pero kanya-kanyang trip lang, I guess.

2011-09-21T05:25:35.000Z

shrugs i don't get it either.

©RandyBau says

2011-09-21T05:26:55.000Z

have you seen owling?

2011-09-21T05:52:23.000Z

say Batmanning. accordingtoadrian.files....

2.bp.blogspot.com/-jbxK0...

2011-09-21T05:53:11.000Z

wtfcontent.com/img/13154...

2011-09-21T05:53:39.000Z

2011-09-21T05:58:39.000Z

i find this way better. planking isn't so challenging na eh

2011-09-21T05:59:51.000Z

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/... Ito kasi ang totoong planking, at para challenging, do for 2 minutes straight.

2011-09-21T07:06:49.000Z

ay... masubukan nga mamya yan

2011-09-21T08:37:48.000Z

rallyists planking is utterly idiotic and irresponsible.

2011-09-21T08:43:32.000Z

^the oil price hikes are more idiotic imho

2011-09-21T08:44:14.000Z

at least that's planking for a cause, not just planking for the sake of planking.

2011-09-21T08:50:14.000Z

ito yung isa sa mga 'wala lang' activities na pinagtatakhan kasi sikat at nakikita sa internet e_e

2011-09-21T08:50:42.000Z

wala naman nagtatanong kung ano yung point ng pagbabasa ng label ng shampoo habang umeebak

2011-09-21T08:51:25.000Z

ang point nya lang, plank, take pic, post on internet. wala nang kung anong kalaliman pa.

2011-09-21T08:51:48.000Z

^hindi mo naman pinipicturan sarili mo pag binabasa mo yung label ng shampoo habang umeebak.

2011-09-21T08:52:37.000Z

ang hindi ko gets e kung bat andaming namamansin sa planking e as if hindi tayo gumagawa ng 'wala lang' activities.

2011-09-21T08:52:38.000Z

at inuupload sa Fezbuk.

2011-09-21T08:52:47.000Z

oy ha. naka priv lang.

2011-09-21T08:53:00.000Z

... ಠ_ಠ

2011-09-21T08:53:03.000Z

"Planking" in that sense used to be called "Die-ins"

2011-09-21T08:53:34.000Z

point ko lang, 'shenanigans' lang yan. kung ano man yung 'social relevance' sa mga slaves sa sinauna o ano man, tingin ko naman hindi

2011-09-21T08:54:00.000Z

iniisip nung mga plankers yun. at kung iiisip man nung iba, sariling kakupalan na nila yun

2011-09-21T08:54:49.000Z

ang social commentary ko lang, mga tao talaga ang hilig mag social commentary sa mga bagay na trip-trip lang naman.

2011-09-21T08:58:43.000Z

sakin naman kasi, nakakabadtrip lang na basta ang usapan pagdating sa mga rally atbp., lagi ang tingin eh ang pagkahassle lang ng sarili...

2011-09-21T08:59:46.000Z

dahil natrapik, hindi na bumababa dun sa tanong na "ba't may rally?"

2011-09-21T09:01:04.000Z

well isa pang social commentary yan. 'paki ko ba sa anak ng driver na hindi makakain? kelangan ko pumunta sa mall!'

2011-09-21T09:01:37.000Z

di naman ako nagmamalinis. wala akong keber sa kung anong concerns nila most of the time

2011-09-21T09:02:10.000Z

pag nilalapitan ako nung mga nagrarally para i-explain yung cause nila, naiinis lang ako kasi isip ko nasa kung saan ako papunta

2011-09-21T09:02:54.000Z

cause or no cause, i think planking is a really idiotic medium to show one's opinion on a topic. why is it irresponsible?

2011-09-21T09:03:39.000Z

because its dangerous! there are more effective ways to do a rally than an internet meme.

2011-09-21T09:04:17.000Z

mawsi: actually, the fact na pinaguusapan natin 'to eh ibig sabihin na effective sya sa pag-grab ng attention.

2011-09-21T09:04:26.000Z

^^^^

2011-09-21T09:04:38.000Z

but what kind of attention has it received?

2011-09-21T09:05:08.000Z

does it matter?

2011-09-21T09:05:16.000Z

of course it does

2011-09-21T09:05:26.000Z

baket, sa isang araw ba na me rally kinocover pa ba 'to ng media at pinaguusapan natin? Eh kung sabihin ko na a few weeks ago may...

2011-09-21T09:05:27.000Z

i mean, when people rally 'traditionally', what kind of attention does it usually receive?

2011-09-21T09:05:38.000Z

the thing is, i am not for the price hikes. but there are better ways to do this.

2011-09-21T09:06:02.000Z

...rally sa may tapat ng PNP re: political prisoners. May nakapansin ba dahil nag-sindi lang sila ng kandila?

2011-09-21T09:06:16.000Z

the planking is a short term gimmick and im afraid that its consequences on the younger generations can be very dangerous

2011-09-21T09:07:16.000Z

there will always be people who will think that certain causes are beneath them--as with the methods to advocate these causes

2011-09-21T09:07:50.000Z

i hope ur not saying that an oil hike is a cause beneath me, because thats not what i said.

2011-09-21T09:08:03.000Z

...bago pa man ginamit ang planking sa protest dito, me namatay na sa planking sa Australia dati. Didn't stop anyone from doing it, right?

2011-09-21T09:08:10.000Z

lol even the 'normal' rallyists have trivial people in their ranks. may nagrarally nga lang para walang pasok e.

2011-09-21T09:08:29.000Z

kaya nga.. me namatay na nga. yun yung point ko. buti na lang tumitigil mga kotse at di sila nadidisgrasya

2011-09-21T09:08:45.000Z

a no of course not. not you. i'm just saying, i don't think we should trivialize what people do for what they believe in.

2011-09-21T09:09:03.000Z

we can't really say if they 'really' believe in it. if they're really out to make a change.

2011-09-21T09:09:07.000Z

but what if impressionable children suddenly find this action cool. :| this is why im saying its dangerous.

2011-09-21T09:09:40.000Z

^kung ganyan lang, edi i-ban na rin nating lahat ng eksenang nagbabarilan, nagsasaksakan at kung ano pa man sa pelikula.

2011-09-21T09:10:01.000Z

there will always be impressionable children. when i was in college a few of my batchmates went to the mountains and signed up.

2011-09-21T09:10:39.000Z

im not sure ur seeing the point alquanna , sure violence is available everywhere. but why add to more things that can get people into

2011-09-21T09:11:01.000Z

direct danger? yes, these things are sometimes unavoidable. pero bat pa kailangan dagdagan.

2011-09-21T09:11:18.000Z

truly, they got the attention but their action needs a follow up or processing

2011-09-21T09:11:19.000Z

that's just as dangerous and imo stupid as well ('specially in the context of them 'throwing their futures away'), but they thought it was

2011-09-21T09:11:30.000Z

the right thing to do at the time.

2011-09-21T09:12:30.000Z

looking at the other side, its also the media's fault but upon hearing some of the news about the gimmick,

2011-09-21T09:13:12.000Z

it's the media's nature to sensationalize, and it's also the reason why the planking protest came to be.

2011-09-21T09:13:14.000Z

mas pinansin ung dangers rather than the rallyists cause. (at least sa mga napanood/narinig ko).

2011-09-21T09:13:55.000Z

just rallying isn't exciting anymore, and it's sad that people who want to stand up for something need to resort to 'cheap gimmicks' to

2011-09-21T09:13:58.000Z

be heard.

2011-09-21T09:14:11.000Z

^kasi hindi rin naman makikinig ang mga tao otherwise eh.

2011-09-21T09:14:32.000Z

that, i understand. sadly, sadly. kelangan minsan gumimik (though as i said - very dangerous) pra pansinin

2011-09-21T09:14:33.000Z

i mean this issue doesn't just speak of the shallowness of this isolated incident.

2011-09-21T09:15:04.000Z

it speaks of how everyone's become so calloused to issues of social reform.

2011-09-21T09:15:25.000Z

but.. i still think its (planking on the road) really dangerous. considering how impressionable people are.

2011-09-21T09:15:32.000Z

maybe that deserves more debate than the 'validity' of one form of protest over the another.

2011-09-21T09:15:58.000Z

it IS dangerous. if it's not, who would give a damn?

2011-09-21T09:15:59.000Z

mawsi: tangentially, may ilang barkada na rin akong namundok at may ilang friends of friends na ring namatay para lang sa paniniwala nila.

2011-09-21T09:16:26.000Z

it's not 'making a stand (ironically)' for nothing.

2011-09-21T09:16:36.000Z

^ i lol'd

2011-09-21T09:17:07.000Z

at marami din sa normal na rally ang nababato/na-water cannon/nabubugbog. So tbh minor risk na nga ang planking kung iisipin.

2011-09-21T09:17:38.000Z

i respect people who are willing to die for what they believe in. yes, may dangers to "normal" rallying din. yung

2011-09-21T09:18:15.000Z

^ ang 'issue' ata is how planking is a stupid way to make yourself heard.

2011-09-21T09:18:37.000Z

which i disagree with by virtue of this very exchange.

2011-09-21T09:18:38.000Z

objection ko is, impressionable youth may take this otherwise good-willed action into something and turn it into a

2011-09-21T09:19:16.000Z

i believe that impressionable youths will find ways to kill themselves one way or another

2011-09-21T09:19:28.000Z

if it's not this, it'll be drugs or some weird cartoon.

2011-09-21T09:19:51.000Z

a way to be cool or popular. ok lang sana kng di extreme planking

2011-09-21T09:20:04.000Z

saka kung titingnan ang mga pangyayari, naunang nauso ang planking (extreme or otherwise) as is, nung sumikat lang sinama sa rally.

2011-09-21T09:20:12.000Z

it's not like i'm being cold to people who died but PLEASE, if they put themselves at risk, katangahan na nila yun

2011-09-21T09:20:34.000Z

so may rally man o wala, people will still end up planking. (Me pinsan akong nag-plank sa harap ng monumento ni Rizal for kicks.)

2011-09-21T09:20:58.000Z

alquanna: it's not even planking per se. It's your typical die-in/lie-in, only renamed

2011-09-21T09:21:27.000Z

if it's so necessary to prevent impressionable youths from doing stupid things,

2011-09-21T09:21:44.000Z

we should outlaw sky diving or idk BASKETBALL

2011-09-21T09:22:04.000Z

that doesnt make sense. basket ball is stupid? o_O

2011-09-21T09:22:22.000Z

heaven knows 99.99% of people who take up the sport did so to be popular [citation needed]

2011-09-21T09:23:23.000Z

Wobbiekun: ...actually. Though dati, sa unang rally na ginawa ang planking, kasama nila yung unofficial planking org sa UP. Hmm.

2011-09-21T09:23:44.000Z

well, if basketball wasn't a global phenomenon (like, incidentally, planking), can anyone actually make sense of it?

2011-09-21T09:23:56.000Z

anyway, the whole point in my opinion is, there must have been a more appropriate way to get themselves heard.

2011-09-21T09:24:29.000Z

^which is...how?

2011-09-21T09:24:47.000Z

i get that, and my point has been, 'being appropriate' has never been the concern of people who want to be heard

2011-09-21T09:24:48.000Z

idk what the more appropriate way is, but i sure do feel its not planking.

2011-09-21T09:25:11.000Z

i can understand that point jylichan

2011-09-21T09:25:27.000Z

because 'being appropriate' is acknowledging that no change has to be made.

2011-09-21T09:25:50.000Z

appropriate is conforming to the status quo itself.

2011-09-21T09:26:28.000Z

no srsly hindi ako tibak. i'm actually quite the hypocrite for voicing out my opinion in this way

2011-09-21T09:27:20.000Z

i'm just sayin', for whatever reason, these people have made themselves heard, and it may not be in a way that everyone approves of

2011-09-21T09:27:34.000Z

but gaining approval has never been on the menu.

2011-09-21T09:27:52.000Z

i just hope they've been heard because of their cause and not their gimmick. :|

2011-09-21T09:28:27.000Z

kasi mawawala rin if they end up being remembered as the road plankers rather than the people who are against oil price hikes (did that make

2011-09-21T09:28:29.000Z

sense)

2011-09-21T09:29:02.000Z

well, why are those two different things?

2011-09-21T09:29:29.000Z

mawsi: tangentially, parang Carlos Celdran din lang yan. He'll forever be remembered as the Damaso guy, BUT at least medyo mainit pang isyu

2011-09-21T09:29:56.000Z

i mean, if person A is inclined to be concerned over the oil price hike and he finds out via this activity, the activity has served its

2011-09-21T09:29:59.000Z

purpose

2011-09-21T09:30:31.000Z

thats the positive outcome and that;s what we're all hoping for. pero me negative effects lang din like,

2011-09-21T09:30:33.000Z

...ang RH bill - at nalaman ng mas maraming taong me ganun pala.

2011-09-21T09:31:05.000Z

... nawala ung example ko sa isip ko.

2011-09-21T09:31:51.000Z

meanwhile, person B just marveled at the novelty of it, planks along, and gets run over by a truck. he devastates his family

2011-09-21T09:32:17.000Z

CHANCES ARE, person B is just the kind of person who'd stupidly get himself killed one way or another anyway.

2011-09-21T09:32:30.000Z

^ yan.

2011-09-21T09:33:49.000Z

if we wanted to 'keep kids safe' from doing stupid stunts, there's a very long list of stupid stunts and planking is safer than most.

2011-09-21T09:33:51.000Z

2011-09-21T09:34:35.000Z

point taken. planking is not as crazy as lets say blood letting in public (maybe?)

2011-09-21T09:35:27.000Z

^Mas historical pa nga yan, tipong sandugo nina Sikatuna at Legazpi.

2011-09-21T09:35:45.000Z

and what of it?

2011-09-21T09:36:04.000Z

if they want to keep the planking thing up, then whoever is representing them should find a way to get interviewed and explain their

2011-09-21T09:36:24.000Z

actions thoroughly and maybe put a disclaimer "dont try this kids".

2011-09-21T09:36:47.000Z

i apologize for sounding idk fatalistic, but people do what they do to feel alive, regardless of 'sense' or even self-preservation

2011-09-21T09:37:10.000Z

even if lessay we think it's misguided and even deluded

2011-09-21T09:37:19.000Z

which has been my point during the entire discussion. i mean screw the adults. they can think for themselves.

2011-09-21T09:37:50.000Z

mawsi: wala pa ngang self-immolation dito, kung iisipin. Yun ang mas lalong mahirap magpaliwanag pakatapos kasi patay ka na talaga nun.

2011-09-21T09:38:47.000Z

^ now im not sure if ur being morbidly humorous or being serious. or both.

2011-09-21T09:38:56.000Z

lol sometimes i feel that the current shitstorm that is the philippine society deserves extreme acts of activism

2011-09-21T09:39:52.000Z

yung isang kasama ko dto sabi dapat nag owling na lang daw sila... amf.

2011-09-21T09:39:53.000Z

no srsly. i may not care, but then i guess that's the problem. NOBODY cares.

2011-09-21T09:41:39.000Z

^exactly. Tapos maiinis na hindi pa umuunlad ang bansa, eh wala namang ginagawa.

2011-09-21T09:43:34.000Z

^ actually there are a LOT of good people in the world. good in small ways, but these add up din naman

2011-09-21T09:44:14.000Z

yun nga lang marami ding masama na natatabunan ung kabutihan ng ibang tao

2011-09-21T09:44:23.000Z

which is sad.

2011-09-21T09:44:30.000Z

^ this is mainly why i don't really care about social reform, but maybe i'm just blindly optimistic.

2011-09-21T09:44:40.000Z

also, ang hassle kaya mag-rally

2011-09-21T09:44:43.000Z

kaya minsan dapat itranslate yung small ways into bigger ways eh.

2011-09-21T09:45:05.000Z

jylichan u mean pessimistic?

2011-09-21T09:45:05.000Z

saka yung good na tipong short-term lang, walang long-term good, ganun

2011-09-21T09:45:12.000Z

no no

2011-09-21T09:45:32.000Z

i mean, i really am ok with how the philippines is

2011-09-21T09:45:35.000Z

di naman, long term din ung good. like paying taxes or something... yun nga lang binubulsa ung kabutihan ng tao. so meh wala rin.

2011-09-21T09:45:56.000Z

^sakin kasi hindi pa "good" yang taxes, default pa yan

2011-09-21T09:46:00.000Z

like, there are lots of fucked up shit but hey i can find my happiness and that's enough for me.

2011-09-21T09:46:41.000Z

lol good yan dapat! pero sa atin hindi ramdam kasi epal gobyerno. if taxes were properly places (like SG?) gaganda buhay natin lahat

2011-09-21T09:46:42.000Z

mawsi: good is supporting a cause by donating time or resources (at hindi lang pag-rally, though it's also a valid way for some people)

2011-09-21T09:47:15.000Z

and besides, no matter what i do, i'll either be branded an extremist or an attention-whore, just like those plankers

2011-09-21T09:47:29.000Z

jylichan ahh ok gets. well PH is thankfully not in dire situations. but it could be better

2011-09-21T09:47:32.000Z

que sera sera

2011-09-21T09:47:38.000Z

indeed. :|

2011-09-21T09:48:05.000Z

(correction sa isang reply, its "properly placed"

2011-09-21T09:48:08.000Z

mawsi: hindi sya good, kasi it's your responsibility as a citizen of the country.

2011-09-21T09:48:37.000Z

whether you're in SG, PH or even the US (na mas contentious ang taxes because they're fighting too many wars that many also oppose)

2011-09-21T09:49:06.000Z

responsiblity is good too. its an obligation but its for the good of the people. cguro bad example lang ung taxes hahaha

2011-09-21T09:50:24.000Z

anyway, i shall concede for today (me ganon?) work beckons :| the discussion was much interesting

2011-09-21T09:50:31.000Z

.GT. says

2011-09-21T12:56:12.000Z

interestingly . . . may natutunan ako sa discussion nyo ^_^

MikeT

2011-09-21T15:09:00.000Z

i wonder how much karma Peps got out of this plurk.

No need to reply. You guys said most of what's to be said for both sides. XD

MikeT

2011-09-21T15:09:24.000Z

But, I'll just quote Randy: verydemotivational.files...

2011-09-22T03:02:38.000Z

antherion: oh yeaaaaaah