pheffer says
2011-09-21T04:50:13.000Z
I don't understand planking... Really.
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pheffer
2011-09-21T04:50:21.000Z
Why????
AzurePhoenix
2011-09-21T04:50:36.000Z
they think its cool. I don't know why, either
AzurePhoenix
2011-09-21T04:50:51.000Z
certainly the slaves who were "planked" didn't see it that way
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MikeT
2011-09-21T05:13:10.000Z
I don't understand it either. It's like "Nakadapa ka. now what?" Pero kanya-kanyang trip lang, I guess.
[Mommy Ching] says
2011-09-21T05:25:35.000Z
shrugs i don't get it either.
©RandyBau says
2011-09-21T05:26:55.000Z
have you seen owling? (LOL)
[Mommy Ching] says
2011-09-21T05:52:23.000Z
say Batmanning. accordingtoadrian.files....
[Mommy Ching] says
2011-09-21T05:53:11.000Z
[Mommy Ching] says
2011-09-21T05:53:39.000Z
[Mommy Ching] says
2011-09-21T05:58:39.000Z
i find this way better. planking isn't so challenging na eh
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T05:59:51.000Z
i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/... Ito kasi ang totoong planking, at para challenging, do for 2 minutes straight.
[Mommy Ching] says
2011-09-21T07:06:49.000Z
ay... masubukan nga mamya yan
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T08:37:48.000Z
rallyists planking is utterly idiotic and irresponsible.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T08:43:32.000Z
^the oil price hikes are more idiotic imho
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T08:44:14.000Z
at least that's planking for a cause, not just planking for the sake of planking.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:50:14.000Z
ito yung isa sa mga 'wala lang' activities na pinagtatakhan kasi sikat at nakikita sa internet e_e
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:50:42.000Z
wala naman nagtatanong kung ano yung point ng pagbabasa ng label ng shampoo habang umeebak
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:51:25.000Z
ang point nya lang, plank, take pic, post on internet. wala nang kung anong kalaliman pa.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T08:51:48.000Z
^hindi mo naman pinipicturan sarili mo pag binabasa mo yung label ng shampoo habang umeebak.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:52:37.000Z
ang hindi ko gets e kung bat andaming namamansin sa planking e as if hindi tayo gumagawa ng 'wala lang' activities.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T08:52:38.000Z
at inuupload sa Fezbuk.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:52:47.000Z
oy ha. naka priv lang.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T08:53:00.000Z
... ಠ_ಠ
AzurePhoenix
2011-09-21T08:53:03.000Z
"Planking" in that sense used to be called "Die-ins"
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:53:34.000Z
point ko lang, 'shenanigans' lang yan. kung ano man yung 'social relevance' sa mga slaves sa sinauna o ano man, tingin ko naman hindi
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:54:00.000Z
iniisip nung mga plankers yun. at kung iiisip man nung iba, sariling kakupalan na nila yun
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T08:54:49.000Z
ang social commentary ko lang, mga tao talaga ang hilig mag social commentary sa mga bagay na trip-trip lang naman.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T08:58:43.000Z
sakin naman kasi, nakakabadtrip lang na basta ang usapan pagdating sa mga rally atbp., lagi ang tingin eh ang pagkahassle lang ng sarili...
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T08:59:46.000Z
dahil natrapik, hindi na bumababa dun sa tanong na "ba't may rally?"
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:01:04.000Z
well isa pang social commentary yan. 'paki ko ba sa anak ng driver na hindi makakain? kelangan ko pumunta sa mall!'
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:01:37.000Z
di naman ako nagmamalinis. wala akong keber sa kung anong concerns nila most of the time
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:02:10.000Z
pag nilalapitan ako nung mga nagrarally para i-explain yung cause nila, naiinis lang ako kasi isip ko nasa kung saan ako papunta
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:02:54.000Z
cause or no cause, i think planking is a really idiotic medium to show one's opinion on a topic. why is it irresponsible?
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:03:39.000Z
because its dangerous! there are more effective ways to do a rally than an internet meme.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:04:17.000Z
mawsi: actually, the fact na pinaguusapan natin 'to eh ibig sabihin na effective sya sa pag-grab ng attention.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:04:26.000Z
^^^^
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:04:38.000Z
but what kind of attention has it received?
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:05:08.000Z
does it matter?
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:05:16.000Z
of course it does
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:05:26.000Z
baket, sa isang araw ba na me rally kinocover pa ba 'to ng media at pinaguusapan natin? Eh kung sabihin ko na a few weeks ago may...
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:05:27.000Z
i mean, when people rally 'traditionally', what kind of attention does it usually receive?
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:05:38.000Z
the thing is, i am not for the price hikes. but there are better ways to do this.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:06:02.000Z
...rally sa may tapat ng PNP re: political prisoners. May nakapansin ba dahil nag-sindi lang sila ng kandila?
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:06:16.000Z
the planking is a short term gimmick and im afraid that its consequences on the younger generations can be very dangerous
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:07:16.000Z
there will always be people who will think that certain causes are beneath them--as with the methods to advocate these causes
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:07:50.000Z
i hope ur not saying that an oil hike is a cause beneath me, because thats not what i said.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:08:03.000Z
...bago pa man ginamit ang planking sa protest dito, me namatay na sa planking sa Australia dati. Didn't stop anyone from doing it, right?
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:08:10.000Z
lol even the 'normal' rallyists have trivial people in their ranks. may nagrarally nga lang para walang pasok e.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:08:29.000Z
kaya nga.. me namatay na nga. yun yung point ko. buti na lang tumitigil mga kotse at di sila nadidisgrasya
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:08:45.000Z
a no of course not. not you. i'm just saying, i don't think we should trivialize what people do for what they believe in.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:09:03.000Z
we can't really say if they 'really' believe in it. if they're really out to make a change.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:09:07.000Z
but what if impressionable children suddenly find this action cool. :| this is why im saying its dangerous.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:09:40.000Z
^kung ganyan lang, edi i-ban na rin nating lahat ng eksenang nagbabarilan, nagsasaksakan at kung ano pa man sa pelikula.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:10:01.000Z
there will always be impressionable children. when i was in college a few of my batchmates went to the mountains and signed up.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:10:39.000Z
im not sure ur seeing the point alquanna , sure violence is available everywhere. but why add to more things that can get people into
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:11:01.000Z
direct danger? yes, these things are sometimes unavoidable. pero bat pa kailangan dagdagan.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:11:18.000Z
truly, they got the attention but their action needs a follow up or processing
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:11:19.000Z
that's just as dangerous and imo stupid as well ('specially in the context of them 'throwing their futures away'), but they thought it was
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:11:30.000Z
the right thing to do at the time.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:12:30.000Z
looking at the other side, its also the media's fault but upon hearing some of the news about the gimmick,
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:13:12.000Z
it's the media's nature to sensationalize, and it's also the reason why the planking protest came to be.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:13:14.000Z
mas pinansin ung dangers rather than the rallyists cause. (at least sa mga napanood/narinig ko).
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:13:55.000Z
just rallying isn't exciting anymore, and it's sad that people who want to stand up for something need to resort to 'cheap gimmicks' to
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:13:58.000Z
be heard.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:14:11.000Z
^kasi hindi rin naman makikinig ang mga tao otherwise eh.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:14:32.000Z
that, i understand. sadly, sadly. kelangan minsan gumimik (though as i said - very dangerous) pra pansinin
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:14:33.000Z
i mean this issue doesn't just speak of the shallowness of this isolated incident.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:15:04.000Z
it speaks of how everyone's become so calloused to issues of social reform.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:15:25.000Z
but.. i still think its (planking on the road) really dangerous. considering how impressionable people are.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:15:32.000Z
maybe that deserves more debate than the 'validity' of one form of protest over the another.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:15:58.000Z
it IS dangerous. if it's not, who would give a damn?
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:15:59.000Z
mawsi: tangentially, may ilang barkada na rin akong namundok at may ilang friends of friends na ring namatay para lang sa paniniwala nila.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:16:26.000Z
it's not 'making a stand (ironically)' for nothing.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:16:36.000Z
^ i lol'd (LOL)
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:17:07.000Z
at marami din sa normal na rally ang nababato/na-water cannon/nabubugbog. So tbh minor risk na nga ang planking kung iisipin.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:17:38.000Z
i respect people who are willing to die for what they believe in. yes, may dangers to "normal" rallying din. yung
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:18:15.000Z
^ ang 'issue' ata is how planking is a stupid way to make yourself heard.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:18:37.000Z
which i disagree with by virtue of this very exchange.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:18:38.000Z
objection ko is, impressionable youth may take this otherwise good-willed action into something and turn it into a
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:19:16.000Z
i believe that impressionable youths will find ways to kill themselves one way or another
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:19:28.000Z
if it's not this, it'll be drugs or some weird cartoon.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:19:51.000Z
a way to be cool or popular. ok lang sana kng di extreme planking
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:20:04.000Z
saka kung titingnan ang mga pangyayari, naunang nauso ang planking (extreme or otherwise) as is, nung sumikat lang sinama sa rally.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:20:12.000Z
it's not like i'm being cold to people who died but PLEASE, if they put themselves at risk, katangahan na nila yun
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:20:34.000Z
so may rally man o wala, people will still end up planking. (Me pinsan akong nag-plank sa harap ng monumento ni Rizal for kicks.)
AzurePhoenix
2011-09-21T09:20:58.000Z
alquanna: it's not even planking per se. It's your typical die-in/lie-in, only renamed
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:21:27.000Z
if it's so necessary to prevent impressionable youths from doing stupid things,
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:21:44.000Z
we should outlaw sky diving or idk BASKETBALL
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:22:04.000Z
that doesnt make sense. basket ball is stupid? o_O
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:22:22.000Z
heaven knows 99.99% of people who take up the sport did so to be popular [citation needed]
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:23:23.000Z
Wobbiekun: ...actually. Though dati, sa unang rally na ginawa ang planking, kasama nila yung unofficial planking org sa UP. Hmm.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:23:44.000Z
well, if basketball wasn't a global phenomenon (like, incidentally, planking), can anyone actually make sense of it?
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:23:56.000Z
anyway, the whole point in my opinion is, there must have been a more appropriate way to get themselves heard.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:24:29.000Z
^which is...how?
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:24:47.000Z
i get that, and my point has been, 'being appropriate' has never been the concern of people who want to be heard
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:24:48.000Z
idk what the more appropriate way is, but i sure do feel its not planking.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:25:11.000Z
i can understand that point jylichan
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:25:27.000Z
because 'being appropriate' is acknowledging that no change has to be made.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:25:50.000Z
appropriate is conforming to the status quo itself.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:26:28.000Z
no srsly hindi ako tibak. i'm actually quite the hypocrite for voicing out my opinion in this way
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:27:20.000Z
i'm just sayin', for whatever reason, these people have made themselves heard, and it may not be in a way that everyone approves of
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:27:34.000Z
but gaining approval has never been on the menu.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:27:52.000Z
i just hope they've been heard because of their cause and not their gimmick. :|
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:28:27.000Z
kasi mawawala rin if they end up being remembered as the road plankers rather than the people who are against oil price hikes (did that make
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:28:29.000Z
sense)
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:29:02.000Z
well, why are those two different things?
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:29:29.000Z
mawsi: tangentially, parang Carlos Celdran din lang yan. He'll forever be remembered as the Damaso guy, BUT at least medyo mainit pang isyu
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:29:56.000Z
i mean, if person A is inclined to be concerned over the oil price hike and he finds out via this activity, the activity has served its
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:29:59.000Z
purpose
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:30:31.000Z
thats the positive outcome and that;s what we're all hoping for. pero me negative effects lang din like,
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:30:33.000Z
...ang RH bill - at nalaman ng mas maraming taong me ganun pala.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:31:05.000Z
... nawala ung example ko sa isip ko.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:31:51.000Z
meanwhile, person B just marveled at the novelty of it, planks along, and gets run over by a truck. he devastates his family
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:32:17.000Z
CHANCES ARE, person B is just the kind of person who'd stupidly get himself killed one way or another anyway.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:32:30.000Z
^ yan.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:33:49.000Z
if we wanted to 'keep kids safe' from doing stupid stunts, there's a very long list of stupid stunts and planking is safer than most.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:33:51.000Z
(LOL)
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:34:35.000Z
point taken. planking is not as crazy as lets say blood letting in public (maybe?)
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:35:27.000Z
^Mas historical pa nga yan, tipong sandugo nina Sikatuna at Legazpi.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:35:45.000Z
and what of it?
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:36:04.000Z
if they want to keep the planking thing up, then whoever is representing them should find a way to get interviewed and explain their
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:36:24.000Z
actions thoroughly and maybe put a disclaimer "dont try this kids". :-P
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:36:47.000Z
i apologize for sounding idk fatalistic, but people do what they do to feel alive, regardless of 'sense' or even self-preservation
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:37:10.000Z
even if lessay we think it's misguided and even deluded
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:37:19.000Z
which has been my point during the entire discussion. i mean screw the adults. they can think for themselves.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:37:50.000Z
mawsi: wala pa ngang self-immolation dito, kung iisipin. Yun ang mas lalong mahirap magpaliwanag pakatapos kasi patay ka na talaga nun.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:38:47.000Z
^ now im not sure if ur being morbidly humorous or being serious. or both.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:38:56.000Z
lol sometimes i feel that the current shitstorm that is the philippine society deserves extreme acts of activism
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:39:52.000Z
yung isang kasama ko dto sabi dapat nag owling na lang daw sila... amf. (LOL)
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:39:53.000Z
no srsly. i may not care, but then i guess that's the problem. NOBODY cares.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:41:39.000Z
^exactly. Tapos maiinis na hindi pa umuunlad ang bansa, eh wala namang ginagawa.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:43:34.000Z
^ actually there are a LOT of good people in the world. good in small ways, but these add up din naman
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:44:14.000Z
yun nga lang marami ding masama na natatabunan ung kabutihan ng ibang tao
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:44:23.000Z
:-( which is sad.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:44:30.000Z
^ this is mainly why i don't really care about social reform, but maybe i'm just blindly optimistic.
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:44:40.000Z
also, ang hassle kaya mag-rally
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:44:43.000Z
kaya minsan dapat itranslate yung small ways into bigger ways eh.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:45:05.000Z
jylichan u mean pessimistic?
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:45:05.000Z
saka yung good na tipong short-term lang, walang long-term good, ganun
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:45:12.000Z
no no
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:45:32.000Z
i mean, i really am ok with how the philippines is
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:45:35.000Z
di naman, long term din ung good. like paying taxes or something... yun nga lang binubulsa ung kabutihan ng tao. so meh wala rin.
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:45:56.000Z
^sakin kasi hindi pa "good" yang taxes, default pa yan (LOL)
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:46:00.000Z
like, there are lots of fucked up shit but hey i can find my happiness and that's enough for me.
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:46:41.000Z
lol good yan dapat! pero sa atin hindi ramdam kasi epal gobyerno. if taxes were properly places (like SG?) gaganda buhay natin lahat
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:46:42.000Z
mawsi: good is supporting a cause by donating time or resources (at hindi lang pag-rally, though it's also a valid way for some people)
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:47:15.000Z
and besides, no matter what i do, i'll either be branded an extremist or an attention-whore, just like those plankers
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:47:29.000Z
jylichan ahh ok gets. well PH is thankfully not in dire situations. but it could be better
Stinky Diver says
2011-09-21T09:47:32.000Z
que sera sera
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:47:38.000Z
indeed. :|
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:48:05.000Z
(correction sa isang reply, its "properly placed";-)
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:48:08.000Z
mawsi: hindi sya good, kasi it's your responsibility as a citizen of the country. :-P
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:48:37.000Z
whether you're in SG, PH or even the US (na mas contentious ang taxes because they're fighting too many wars that many also oppose)
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:49:06.000Z
(LOL) responsiblity is good too. its an obligation but its for the good of the people. cguro bad example lang ung taxes hahaha
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-21T09:50:24.000Z
anyway, i shall concede for today (me ganon?) work beckons :| the discussion was much interesting :-)
FrankieLizardo
2011-09-21T09:50:31.000Z
o/
.GT. says
2011-09-21T12:56:12.000Z
interestingly . . . may natutunan ako sa discussion nyo ^_^
MikeT
2011-09-21T15:09:00.000Z
i wonder how much karma Peps got out of this plurk. (lmao) No need to reply. You guys said most of what's to be said for both sides. XD
MikeT
2011-09-21T15:09:24.000Z
But, I'll just quote Randy: verydemotivational.files...
[Mommy Ching] says
2011-09-22T03:02:38.000Z
antherion: oh yeaaaaaah
ಠ_ಠ says
2011-09-22T03:50:33.000Z
pahamak plurk ni pheffer
pheffer
2011-09-24T08:11:47.000Z
nu ba yan. sabi ko lang di ko siya maintindihan eh. >_> nagpaplank kasi sila dito sa office when i plurked that.
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