they think its cool. I don't know why, either
certainly the slaves who were "planked" didn't see it that way
I don't understand it either. It's like "Nakadapa ka. now what?" Pero kanya-kanyang trip lang, I guess.
shrugs i don't get it either.
have you seen owling?
i find this way better. planking isn't so challenging na eh
ay... masubukan nga mamya yan
rallyists planking is utterly idiotic and irresponsible.
^the oil price hikes are more idiotic imho
at least that's planking for a cause, not just planking for the sake of planking.
ito yung isa sa mga 'wala lang' activities na pinagtatakhan kasi sikat at nakikita sa internet e_e
wala naman nagtatanong kung ano yung point ng pagbabasa ng label ng shampoo habang umeebak
ang point nya lang, plank, take pic, post on internet. wala nang kung anong kalaliman pa.
^hindi mo naman pinipicturan sarili mo pag binabasa mo yung label ng shampoo habang umeebak.
ang hindi ko gets e kung bat andaming namamansin sa planking e as if hindi tayo gumagawa ng 'wala lang' activities.
"Planking" in that sense used to be called "Die-ins"
point ko lang, 'shenanigans' lang yan. kung ano man yung 'social relevance' sa mga slaves sa sinauna o ano man, tingin ko naman hindi
iniisip nung mga plankers yun. at kung iiisip man nung iba, sariling kakupalan na nila yun
ang social commentary ko lang, mga tao talaga ang hilig mag social commentary sa mga bagay na trip-trip lang naman.
sakin naman kasi, nakakabadtrip lang na basta ang usapan pagdating sa mga rally atbp., lagi ang tingin eh ang pagkahassle lang ng sarili...
dahil natrapik, hindi na bumababa dun sa tanong na "ba't may rally?"
well isa pang social commentary yan. 'paki ko ba sa anak ng driver na hindi makakain? kelangan ko pumunta sa mall!'
di naman ako nagmamalinis. wala akong keber sa kung anong concerns nila most of the time
pag nilalapitan ako nung mga nagrarally para i-explain yung cause nila, naiinis lang ako kasi isip ko nasa kung saan ako papunta
cause or no cause, i think planking is a really idiotic medium to show one's opinion on a topic. why is it irresponsible?
because its dangerous! there are more effective ways to do a rally than an internet meme.
mawsi: actually, the fact na pinaguusapan natin 'to eh ibig sabihin na effective sya sa pag-grab ng attention.
but what kind of attention has it received?
baket, sa isang araw ba na me rally kinocover pa ba 'to ng media at pinaguusapan natin? Eh kung sabihin ko na a few weeks ago may...
i mean, when people rally 'traditionally', what kind of attention does it usually receive?
the thing is, i am not for the price hikes. but there are better ways to do this.
...rally sa may tapat ng PNP re: political prisoners. May nakapansin ba dahil nag-sindi lang sila ng kandila?
the planking is a short term gimmick and im afraid that its consequences on the younger generations can be very dangerous
there will always be people who will think that certain causes are beneath them--as with the methods to advocate these causes
i hope ur not saying that an oil hike is a cause beneath me, because thats not what i said.
...bago pa man ginamit ang planking sa protest dito, me namatay na sa planking sa Australia dati. Didn't stop anyone from doing it, right?
lol even the 'normal' rallyists have trivial people in their ranks. may nagrarally nga lang para walang pasok e.
kaya nga.. me namatay na nga. yun yung point ko. buti na lang tumitigil mga kotse at di sila nadidisgrasya
a no of course not. not you. i'm just saying, i don't think we should trivialize what people do for what they believe in.
we can't really say if they 'really' believe in it. if they're really out to make a change.
but what if impressionable children suddenly find this action cool. :| this is why im saying its dangerous.
^kung ganyan lang, edi i-ban na rin nating lahat ng eksenang nagbabarilan, nagsasaksakan at kung ano pa man sa pelikula.
there will always be impressionable children. when i was in college a few of my batchmates went to the mountains and signed up.
im not sure ur seeing the point
alquanna , sure violence is available everywhere. but why add to more things that can get people into
direct danger? yes, these things are sometimes unavoidable. pero bat pa kailangan dagdagan.
truly, they got the attention but their action needs a follow up or processing
that's just as dangerous and imo stupid as well ('specially in the context of them 'throwing their futures away'), but they thought it was
the right thing to do at the time.
looking at the other side, its also the media's fault but upon hearing some of the news about the gimmick,
it's the media's nature to sensationalize, and it's also the reason why the planking protest came to be.
mas pinansin ung dangers rather than the rallyists cause. (at least sa mga napanood/narinig ko).
just rallying isn't exciting anymore, and it's sad that people who want to stand up for something need to resort to 'cheap gimmicks' to
^kasi hindi rin naman makikinig ang mga tao otherwise eh.
that, i understand. sadly, sadly. kelangan minsan gumimik (though as i said - very dangerous) pra pansinin
i mean this issue doesn't just speak of the shallowness of this isolated incident.
it speaks of how everyone's become so calloused to issues of social reform.
but.. i still think its (planking on the road) really dangerous. considering how impressionable people are.
maybe that deserves more debate than the 'validity' of one form of protest over the another.
it IS dangerous. if it's not, who would give a damn?
mawsi: tangentially, may ilang barkada na rin akong namundok at may ilang friends of friends na ring namatay para lang sa paniniwala nila.
it's not 'making a stand (ironically)' for nothing.
^ i lol'd
at marami din sa normal na rally ang nababato/na-water cannon/nabubugbog. So tbh minor risk na nga ang planking kung iisipin.
i respect people who are willing to die for what they believe in. yes, may dangers to "normal" rallying din. yung
^ ang 'issue' ata is how planking is a stupid way to make yourself heard.
which i disagree with by virtue of this very exchange.
objection ko is, impressionable youth may take this otherwise good-willed action into something and turn it into a
i believe that impressionable youths will find ways to kill themselves one way or another
if it's not this, it'll be drugs or some weird cartoon.
a way to be cool or popular. ok lang sana kng di extreme planking
saka kung titingnan ang mga pangyayari, naunang nauso ang planking (extreme or otherwise) as is, nung sumikat lang sinama sa rally.
it's not like i'm being cold to people who died but PLEASE, if they put themselves at risk, katangahan na nila yun
so may rally man o wala, people will still end up planking. (Me pinsan akong nag-plank sa harap ng monumento ni Rizal for kicks.)
alquanna: it's not even planking per se. It's your typical die-in/lie-in, only renamed
if it's so necessary to prevent impressionable youths from doing stupid things,
we should outlaw sky diving or idk BASKETBALL
that doesnt make sense. basket ball is stupid? o_O
heaven knows 99.99% of people who take up the sport did so to be popular [citation needed]
Wobbiekun: ...actually. Though dati, sa unang rally na ginawa ang planking, kasama nila yung unofficial planking org sa UP. Hmm.
well, if basketball wasn't a global phenomenon (like, incidentally, planking), can anyone actually make sense of it?
anyway, the whole point in my opinion is, there must have been a more appropriate way to get themselves heard.
i get that, and my point has been, 'being appropriate' has never been the concern of people who want to be heard
idk what the more appropriate way is, but i sure do feel its not planking.
because 'being appropriate' is acknowledging that no change has to be made.
appropriate is conforming to the status quo itself.
no srsly hindi ako tibak. i'm actually quite the hypocrite for voicing out my opinion in this way
i'm just sayin', for whatever reason, these people have made themselves heard, and it may not be in a way that everyone approves of
but gaining approval has never been on the menu.
i just hope they've been heard because of their cause and not their gimmick. :|
kasi mawawala rin if they end up being remembered as the road plankers rather than the people who are against oil price hikes (did that make
well, why are those two different things?
mawsi: tangentially, parang Carlos Celdran din lang yan. He'll forever be remembered as the Damaso guy, BUT at least medyo mainit pang isyu
i mean, if person A is inclined to be concerned over the oil price hike and he finds out via this activity, the activity has served its
thats the positive outcome and that;s what we're all hoping for. pero me negative effects lang din like,
...ang RH bill - at nalaman ng mas maraming taong me ganun pala.
... nawala ung example ko sa isip ko.
meanwhile, person B just marveled at the novelty of it, planks along, and gets run over by a truck. he devastates his family
CHANCES ARE, person B is just the kind of person who'd stupidly get himself killed one way or another anyway.
if we wanted to 'keep kids safe' from doing stupid stunts, there's a very long list of stupid stunts and planking is safer than most.
point taken. planking is not as crazy as lets say blood letting in public (maybe?)
^Mas historical pa nga yan, tipong sandugo nina Sikatuna at Legazpi.
if they want to keep the planking thing up, then whoever is representing them should find a way to get interviewed and explain their
actions thoroughly and maybe put a disclaimer "dont try this kids".
i apologize for sounding idk fatalistic, but people do what they do to feel alive, regardless of 'sense' or even self-preservation
even if lessay we think it's misguided and even deluded
which has been my point during the entire discussion. i mean screw the adults. they can think for themselves.
mawsi: wala pa ngang self-immolation dito, kung iisipin. Yun ang mas lalong mahirap magpaliwanag pakatapos kasi patay ka na talaga nun.
^ now im not sure if ur being morbidly humorous or being serious. or both.
lol sometimes i feel that the current shitstorm that is the philippine society deserves extreme acts of activism
yung isang kasama ko dto sabi dapat nag owling na lang daw sila... amf.
no srsly. i may not care, but then i guess that's the problem. NOBODY cares.
^exactly. Tapos maiinis na hindi pa umuunlad ang bansa, eh wala namang ginagawa.
^ actually there are a LOT of good people in the world. good in small ways, but these add up din naman
yun nga lang marami ding masama na natatabunan ung kabutihan ng ibang tao
which is sad.
^ this is mainly why i don't really care about social reform, but maybe i'm just blindly optimistic.
also, ang hassle kaya mag-rally
kaya minsan dapat itranslate yung small ways into bigger ways eh.
saka yung good na tipong short-term lang, walang long-term good, ganun
i mean, i really am ok with how the philippines is
di naman, long term din ung good. like paying taxes or something... yun nga lang binubulsa ung kabutihan ng tao. so meh wala rin.
^sakin kasi hindi pa "good" yang taxes, default pa yan
like, there are lots of fucked up shit but hey i can find my happiness and that's enough for me.
lol good yan dapat! pero sa atin hindi ramdam kasi epal gobyerno. if taxes were properly places (like SG?) gaganda buhay natin lahat
mawsi: good is supporting a cause by donating time or resources (at hindi lang pag-rally, though it's also a valid way for some people)
and besides, no matter what i do, i'll either be branded an extremist or an attention-whore, just like those plankers
jylichan ahh ok gets. well PH is thankfully not in dire situations. but it could be better
(correction sa isang reply, its "properly placed"
mawsi: hindi sya good, kasi it's your responsibility as a citizen of the country.
whether you're in SG, PH or even the US (na mas contentious ang taxes because they're fighting too many wars that many also oppose)
responsiblity is good too. its an obligation but its for the good of the people. cguro bad example lang ung taxes hahaha
anyway, i shall concede for today (me ganon?) work beckons :| the discussion was much interesting
interestingly . . . may natutunan ako sa discussion nyo ^_^
i wonder how much karma Peps got out of this plurk.
No need to reply. You guys said most of what's to be said for both sides. XD
nu ba yan. sabi ko lang di ko siya maintindihan eh. >_> nagpaplank kasi sila dito sa office when i plurked that.