And then you have leftists who support her? Talk about hypocrisy - someone tell them that human rights are universal.

The people killed by the Davao Death Squad ALSO have human rights, bitches. That's the way that concept was framed.

I hope the smarter people from Davao would speak up and not let this mass of stupidity represent an otherwise great city.

What the clips didn't show was that most of the people in the area were armed with indyan panas and were already starting to throw rocks

jsessions:

the mayor ASKED for a 2-hour extension so that she can negotiate peacefully to avert a full blown riot

couple that with the stress of the flash flood the day before, I understand why she did it, I'm not saying that it's right, but I understand

of course, she could have just left it at that and let it deteriorate into those full blown demolition riots that manilenyos are so used to

So the end justifies the means?

What an awesome political philosophy by the king of democracy, Nicky Machiavelli.

I say momentary lapse of judgement, come on, the sherif COULD have given that 2-hour extension as a COURTESY to the sitting mayor

so he deserved what he got?

nope, but I don't blame the mayor for acting like that tho

I'd rather have one sherif punched out than having dozens injured and killed.

You know what else is universal? Punches to the face.

yeah, have your goons hold down the guy doing his job. HOW ADMIRABLE.

TheBim: apparently, decency and the idea that the Mayor shouldnt punch people in the face aren't.

Even the sherif said that he understood why the mayor did it, we're prone to lapses of judgement

to deny so would be lying

xtianx: Well, he "understood" because he could have easily been dead the very same night had he pressed charges.

not really. Assumptions by those that don't live here

more assumptions courtesy of Amnesty International

poor guy then, he was just doing his job and because he didn't bow down to the mayor he deserved to get his ass kicked. classy.

it must be a cultural difference because that kind of crap will never be good enough for most people I know (most of whom are from Luzon).

that pretty much sums it all up, cultural differences.

there's a reason why the law is in place - there is wiggle room for cultural differences but there is no room for mayors to punch people.

and she is submitting herself to the law by going on leave and letting the investigation (not by davaoenos) but by the right agencies cont.

Though I can understand why someone from another city would defend their own once Evil Imperial Manila tries to bring down the hammer.

if the so-called 'left' had not taken up this issue and used it for their propaganda purposes, you wouldn't have taken this stand

but you guys took the bait

what stand? and who's 'you guys'?

and which left are you talking about?

well, i refer specifically to this post by cocoy

xtianx: the social media left

Ah, didn't read that. I'm taking my stand because that's what I believe in and not something I read online.

Wait sparkeh are you talking to me or xtianx?

atheista: you!

there you go.

caffeinesparks: but isn't my position the most obvious/ mainstream stance on the issue?

I think that's how most people would think, right? How can it be a reaction from what the SM left is saying?

she punched the guy not because she wanted to oppose the court order. she punched him because he didn't wait for her to be on the premises

That's still not a reason for a mayor to go around punching people, though.

so a showdown wouldnt' occur. she offered here assistance to facilitate the process

i dont think most people are advocating the 'rightness' of her conduct. maybe, at that particular instance, it was 'just'

caffeinesparks: Im surprised that you're taking this position.

Especially when you take into account how groups like Amnesty International view the Dutertes.

im taking that one particular instance devoid of sara duterte being sara duterte

so in your opinion, there are times wherein Machiavellian approaches are justified?

What is a Machiavellian?

atheista: how is sara punching the sheriff machiavellian? the power belongs to the sheriff and the court order he's executing

and besides sara didn't get her 'end' because the sheriff had already gone ahead with the demolition hence the people were already up

but the mayor did what she did using the defense that a greater confrontation was evaded.

in arms. if sara had harassed the sheriff BEFORE the demo began then you can say her means were machiavellian

you must be able to exhaust a long list of means to communicate before you can justify a punch in the face.

note: Sara did not come there completely powerless and citizen-y. she was functioning *in her capacity as a mayor*.

and Section 4 of RA 6713 lays down the norms of conduct of public officials and employees.

well, separate from her being and her own political agenda if any, what was the did the act of her punching him represent?

marocharim is that you?

Section C says, "they shall at all times respect the rights of others, and shall refrain from doing acts contrary to law, good morals,

good customs, public policy, public order, public safety and public interest."

it is questionable whether her action is a bigger transgression over the demolition of houses when people are still inside them

isnt the question whether or not the punching was a transgression - regardless of the context (assuming it wasnt in self defense)?

Section E. "Public officials and employees shall extend prompt, courteous, and adequate service to the public."

She extended prompt service, alright. TO THE FACE!

my stand is this - duterte was wrong to have punched the sheriff. but she was right to have requested for the 2-hour delay

the request and the motivation behind it should not be eclipsed by the punch

caffeinesparks no one is questioning the fairness of the delay as a form of justice. bravo to her.

yeah so she should be held liable for assault. and she already said she would face the consequences. so whats the beef

Gloria said she's sorry. What was the beef then?

how is this comparable to GMA lying?

about cheating in the elections

When people do something wrong, shouldn't they be called out on it?

how is the punch 'wrong'? in whose eyes is it 'wrong'?

When someone punches you in the face, is it right?

Well, apparently, in your eyes - sparkeh my stand is this - duterte was wrong to have punched the sheriff.

We are called upon to act only with what is *necessary*

"War is just when it is necessary; arms are permissible when there is no hope except in arms." Machiavelli is *clear* on that.

and intention is in the realm of the subjective. the result of which was something objective: a punch to the face.

you can have the same intention without going to the lengths that she did.

Someone should make a fighting game featuring local officials.

verbosity: all bets on the Congressman of Saranggani

My money's on Binay. He can blend into the night.

atheista, he'd be the final boss, I think. TheBim LOL

Sara Dutertes Folly

The following are the precepts of the Law: to live honestly, not to injure another, and to give to each one that which belongs to him.

we only give what is entitled to one caffeinesparks. right is entitled to praise just as wrong is entitled to castigation.

*grabs popcorn*

did you guys hear what the older duterte said??? HAHAHAHAHA

What what?

officially, nilabasan ako sa discussion dito. LIKED!!!

I love when intellectuals argue on Plurk or Twitter. 140 characters of brilliance a pop.

PUTANGINA NYO RAW SABI NI RODRIGO DUTERTE!

Kung sya daw yun, tinadyakan nya pa yung sheriff!!!

CLASSY!!!! hahahaha

cultural differences FTW

What's this talk of middle fingers

I tried to troll this thread. I was unsuccessful.

Quick someone make the falcon punch thing

if he said that, he's not doing his daughter any favours

he flashed his middle finger, pati commission on human rights binanatan, hindi raw magsosorry anak niya

when asked what he'll do kung siya yung sinuntok (or something like that), he said, "barilin kital

He was just invoking Stone Cold Steve Austin

he also said daw pag ganon pa rin behavior ng sheriff sa demolition sa july 9, may tama uli

Hey, this stuff worked for John Cena!

::Plurk Frontpage Promotion::

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

YUNG MALI LANG KASI TINITIGNAN. GO TO DAVAO SIR, USAP KAYO NI **VICE MAYOR RODRIGO DUTERTE**

that's precisely the problem - that mentality; the idea that there are people who can go above the law.

The law applies to all, otherwise, to none at all.

You said it yourself, “THIS DAVAO SITUATION”, so the people in Davao can say and defend whom ever they choose.

I'm not justifying Mayor Sarah's action 'coz its a FACT that its a MISTAKE...I'm wondering why it's such a big issue in Manila.

The people in Davao are more concern in waste segregation than that issue (baka daw sila masuntok kung di sumunod sa new ordinance.joke)

Opinion niyo yan e

At opinion mo din yan.

Yeah boy! Never been to Davao, noh? Lmaooooo

LOL. Ano 'to? Separatist?

Sino kaya yun? Rofl

Don't be so butthurt if people don't let ill behavior slide. U mad?