Styganor
13 years ago
"There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper."
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13 years ago
This is my first time reading Camille Paglia - and it is an intensely emotional experience.
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13 years ago
I don't know whether to take certain of her proclamations about the nature of the sexes at face value ... but if I am to take them that way,
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13 years ago
then she strikes me as profoundly, tragically misogynistic.
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13 years ago
She decries the possibility that women are capable of the sort of sadistic actions/ impulses detailed in Sade -- but reading her depiction
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13 years ago
of female nature as fundamentally passive, solipsistic, vegetable roused some seriously violent inclinations in me ...
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13 years ago
rouses, still.
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13 years ago
It seems like the sum of her theorizing serves to point toward and oncoming appropriation of "male" abstractions by female brains ...
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13 years ago
and ... a retaliative turning of the tides a la her ideas about how the western eye arose from male attempts to rival female generative
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13 years ago
capability with creative intellect.
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13 years ago
Still. Reading her is a shock to my liberal/ radically feminist sensibilities.
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13 years ago
an oncoming*
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13 years ago
Although.
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13 years ago
Honestly?
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13 years ago
I can understand how a woman like Paglia could come to such a bleak outlook toward women. And I also understand that she'd slant my
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13 years ago
interpretation of her outlook upon women as 'bleak' as a product of my acceptance of 'masculine' modes of thought - moralizing, heirarchal.
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13 years ago
hierarchal*
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But yeah, understanding comes from the fact that it isn't really a stretch to call the western social paradigm (hell, all social par'masculi
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13 years ago
paradigms) masculine*
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13 years ago
Lol I shouldn't plurk on my phone - especially when angry! I type poorly and spell poorly and generally articulate things poorly when angry!
Styganor
13 years ago
Um. Sometimes?
Styganor
13 years ago
This reading is certainly good /practice/ for Near characterization - trying to remain objective despite srs emotional reactions to things!
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13 years ago
No, I don't.
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13 years ago
XD female Near! /swoon! Any excuse to devour feminist lit is good! But no, wasn't me xD.
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13 years ago
I can understand how a woman as brilliant as Paglia might come to embrace the 'masculine' -- because females haven't produced a praiseworthy
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13 years ago
canon of ... anything. Also OMG I WANT TO READ THIS FIC
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13 years ago
anything aside from progeny, that is ...
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13 years ago
I ... don't know how to think or feel about Paglia, because my entire mind rebels against her association of aggressive cognitive ordering
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13 years ago
with the male brain/ 'masculine' experience -- and everything else in me rebels against her association of the intellectually creative with
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13 years ago
the masculine, but ...
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13 years ago
where are the female Mozarts? Sades? Rippers? What have women truly done, what have we contributed to history? Where have we been? In back
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13 years ago
rooms sucking pricks, placating egos and popping out offspring?
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13 years ago
Yea, that's where we've been.
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13 years ago
I'm being melodramatic. But. Point is, I can understand a certain amount of misogyny, in a woman. I can understand the desire to identify
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13 years ago
with those aspects of our society that have been typically produced by men. (Thanks bunches, btw!!!)
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13 years ago
But I can't endorse the assertion that aggression and violent impulses - be they conceptual or physical - are male phenomena. A-and I
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13 years ago
Sometimes get the feel that Paglia is making that assertion.
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13 years ago
Frankly, though, it's ridiculous oversimplification of animal aggression of ANY kind -- to call it 'masculine'. That vulgarizes and
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13 years ago
pigeonholes a survival impulse common to all creatures -- EVEN when the designation 'masculine' is ... utilitarian?
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13 years ago
Words aren't serving me right now, lol.
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13 years ago
I should say, though, that I think Paglia's scope and ambition Nd audacity are absolutely fab and brilliant and admirable!
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13 years ago
and*
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13 years ago
The aspects of her writing that reference gender personae as opposed to sex issues are stunning and insightful.
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13 years ago
And her theories make sense, despite my visceral reaction to them.
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13 years ago
And I know many will argue that we have has female Mozarts, etc -- but they've simply been repressed by male hierarchies blah di blah. This
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13 years ago
had* female prodigies, virtuosos*
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a possibility! But our extended histories of female subordination to male authority threaten to imply something unseemly about female
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13 years ago
nature, too.
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13 years ago
So ... I understand Paglia's dismissal of the probability of cloistered female ability, sort of.
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13 years ago
OF THE SIGNIFICANCE of that probability, that is.
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13 years ago
I am tired. And depressed. Has anyone else read Paglia? Been incensed by her? Care to cheer me up with well reasoned refutations/ discussion
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13 years ago
?
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13 years ago
Also maybe the amalgamation of Mozart, Sade and Jaxk the Ripper sounds like a weird one, but the point is that Paglia theorizes thing-making
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13 years ago
Jack*
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13 years ago
(via actual craft or by conceptualization of what we see) is a violent, divisive, aggressive act.
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13 years ago
SIGH the more I ramble the less coherent I sound. I need time to rest/ digest this material! So. I'll be on later, feel free to leave
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13 years ago
commentary in the mean time if you want. <3
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13 years ago
Before I go I should also say that if I wS any more inclined toward Paglia-style brazenness, I'd say she's an idiot who has internalized
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13 years ago
sexist bullshit and is using it to glorify male dominance. She obvs identifies more with her androgynous personae than feminine -- but she
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13 years ago
naively conflates feminine with female and confuses 'chthonian' aggressive impetus with masculinity.
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13 years ago
But I am of a temperate mind, lololol, so I'll not officially say that! Instead, I'll say -- she's fun for contemplating!
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13 years ago
(masculinity, which she aligns with the apollonian, not the chthonian/dionysian, which are feminine, for her)
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13 years ago
anyway, sleeping now before this plurk turns into word soup!
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13 years ago
ONE MORE comment, so I'll not forget.
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13 years ago
Paglia is very heavily and obviously Freud-fluenced.
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13 years ago
Her basic premise is that sex controls all! and that human cognition as we know it arose from male rebellion against the secret
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13 years ago
procreative power of women, and the social power that entailed. Paternity wasn't ... Invented yet, pregnancy was mysterious and no one knew
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13 years ago
dicks played a part. Anyway, Paglia claims human nature is derived from sexual nature in more ways than one.
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13 years ago
Because women were self contained and inherently 'creative' and couldn't see out genitals, she posits, we are destined to a penchant for
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13 years ago
our* were?*
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13 years ago
solipsism and self-satisfaction. Men, however, were always driven outward, away from the self -- and, lol, because they could see their
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13 years ago
penises, away from the body. They had no pregnancy to give purpose, thus sought purpose through other means ...
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13 years ago
I am too sleepy for this point! Lol. Losing it in translation. Will continue later xD
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13 years ago
Also that fic totally inspired me to write a sex/genderswap FIC in which Near has won ...
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