if so, does that mean we have no free will?
Cell just respond to their environment, but that does not mean we have free will.
You could take it back even further and say that all matter is just resounding to the beginning state of the universe.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T03:18:38.000Z
Well, that's true unless you take into account quantum physics.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T03:19:13.000Z
Truly, there is no such thing as free will in the multi-verse, but because the path of an electron is "random" there is such a thing as
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T03:19:35.000Z
random circumstance in each individual dimension.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T03:20:26.000Z
Collapse those eigenstates, you tiny negatively-charged fuckers!
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T03:21:23.000Z
So, about individual cells... random shit will happen to them, so they are adrift in the sea of possibility like the rest of everything.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T03:22:14.000Z
But unless they are networked together into a larger organism that has a nervous system to "decide" with, they have no free will.
You seem to be under the impression that the quantum universe effects the macro universe but their is no evidence for that as of yet.
we die quickly with out earth.
We evolved to live on earth.
and the cells inside us evolved inside us.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:02:31.000Z
I think saying that the quantum universe doesn't affect the macro universe is like creationists differentiating between micro and
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:02:34.000Z
macro evolution.
Not at all, I am confident the quantum does effect the macro but their is no evidence for it.
With evolution their are mountains of evidence.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:05:05.000Z
I think the evidence pointing to the fact that you cannot record the location of an electron without changing it help with this argument.
How so? All I am saying is that as of this moment we as humans have not found a direct link for the quantum to the macro.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:08:45.000Z
By recording the location of an electron, you collapse it's wave function, making it choose a particular position to inhabit.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:09:37.000Z
Before it's recorded, the probability of it being in certain positions of it's orbit are equal.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:10:27.000Z
It does not have a fixed position at any given time unless observed, which means that viewing it acts as a randomizing function.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:11:02.000Z
This demonstrates that individual atoms in the universe are not "fixed" into any single course of action.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:11:36.000Z
Does this translate into a "macro" world? How could it not? Everything is composed of atoms.
Not so, the way in witch you measure the atom is what effects it.
We can make some quantum events act in a certain way but we do not know if the quantum world effects the macro.
Or it might be better to say assuming that the quantum world effect the macro world we do not know how.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:15:36.000Z
You can get strange effects when you do things like compress hydrogen in a tank. The orbits of the H electrons do funny things.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:16:35.000Z
They actually settle into semi-stable orbits, like faux-ionic bonds when you press enough of them together. Liquid H is crazy stuff.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:17:11.000Z
I guess I agree that there is no direct evidence that quantum changes affect the larger world...
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:17:34.000Z
But they are the effects of sub-atomic particles, which is what everything is made of, so thus part of the world.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:17:47.000Z
I guess what I'm meaning to say is that I think there is an artificial barrier there.
I think it's just an unknown unknown as of right now.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:19:59.000Z
Particle physics is awesome. It's a neat area where chemistry and physics interact.
It's like a Recces peanut butter cup.
DerekD
says 2010-07-24T04:23:42.000Z
Hey, you got your chemistry in my physics!