hay. religion again

sows. then don't believe in anything

or believe in everything.

your dilemma is so typical. your "faith" limits your options because you don't want to be free.

i believe in God, but never one who'd make me doubt myself at every turn.

if you want a specific dogma to hold your hand and tell you exactly what to do at all time, that's your choice--but don't whine about it

the thing is i'm not in the church anymore

then what's your problem?

but i have who believe in me and still believe i'll return

despite how other people in said church talk things about me behind me

then snap them out of it. if they can't accept you for your beliefs (or lack thereof), do they deserve to be your friends?

i don't want to let them down and it just breaks my heart that i have to

are you saying that your choice of religion was nothing more than a barkada activity :>

no it was not that's why i left

why did you join in the first place?

and it's harder since you know who is at a stage where she's very zealous and um, is kind of not talking to me

i joined because i found something i could belleve in

but the problem was it began to become a burden and my heart wasn't in it anymore one day

i wasn't happy anymore; i was limited, choked and felt as if the world went on without me

so faith is so easily discarded, then?

it's not my faith for God that was discarded, it's the faith in the doctrine

that's what i mean. you just need to tell these people that you still have faith. just not in their words.

and i got sick of people's holier than thou attitude

and if they truly love you, they'd still be your friends <_<

jyli, tell me something that would make me feel better since this thing with her is killing me

when i asked her if she would still be my friend she replied it depends on what kind of person i'll be

in short, our friendship is conditional?

i think if you're honest, it'll turn out okay, and if you keep beating around the bush, things will just get worse

she won't even talk to me says she wants space but at the same time she lets people badmouth me

i hate that she has that holier than thou attitude

lol i think you're slowly deciding that you're not meant to be friends by yourself

.... i still want to be friends with her

i don't think anyone who lets something like differing religions get in the way of friendship deserves friendship

but maybe it's not just the religion. maybe there are things about you that she's starting to get tired of.

you said something about friendship being conditional. i think it is

well that's depressing

and there will come to a point where one would have to change for the other, or be let go

we were still talking after she asked space. we stopped talking altogether when i left. when she texted me, its like i did a bad thing

my point is, if you love yourself enough and you're confident that there's nothing you'd like to change about yourself,

then maybe she's just not meant to be your friend.

but if you feel that there are certain aspects of your personality that needs adjusting, maybe you can look into that.

how would she know that i've changed if we don't even talk?

lol she won't unless you force yourself. if you think your friendship is worth forcing, then go ahead

if you don't, maybe it's worth less than you thought.

knowing her, the more you force it, the more she resists

i guess i just have to wait right?

i'm guessing your friendship has reached a point of saturation.

saturation?

let me be blunt: you're loud and touchy and oftentimes nonsensical. most of your friends are totally fine with that and we love you

BECAUSE of it, if not in spite of it.

aww i love you too

but some people change, or maybe some people simply don't like being bombarded with your personality too often

i think she's one such person. she's not bad. in fact, she's NORMAL.

normal enough to get tired of your childishness.

LOL.it's weird since inside the church with our church friends, she's the loud and nonsensical one

so you're saying were not compatible?

do friends need to be compatible?

imo, friends simply choose to be friends. there aren't any ceremony like marriage, there's not blood like family

so it's her choice, in this case?

maybe she simply decided that she doesn't want to be friends with you.

well it's both of yours. if you want to keep asking her then maybe she'll realize that she still wants to be your friend

but what if she decided not to be friends with me since she's not sure what kind of person i'll turn out to be outside the church?

it just seems to me that you've always wanted too much out of your friendship--and she wanted a little less.

lol. who can say who you'll be in the future?

taking her words into face value, i guess she won't be friends with me if i did something evil or something

she's under the asumption that if you're in the church, you're inherently good and God will never let you astray

like what? i don't remember you doing anything evil.

but im not anymore, i'll easily succumb to satan

like break the laws of the church

lol if she's convinced of that there's nothign we can do

..........only time will tell?

...i think you've reached the point of pathetic desperation. you're trying too hard to hold on to someone that you seem to have decided

to want nothing to do with you. it's not that she's bad, but you're convinced that she doesn't want you as a friend and STILL you

somehow wish that things were different instead of doing something about it.

dong something about it entails me to return to church and to change and be more converted

and i can't do that at will. change takes time and I AM trying to change without losing ME in the process

religions tend to force you into situations like that.

1 of the reasons i left. another reason is because people expect me to leave my friends outside the religion eventually, that means you guys

so i guess there's no choice but to move on

personally, i think any religion who tries to prevent its flock from befriending others is sinning

i agree. personally, i think there's something wrong with the interpretation

Religion is basically a very simplified means to keep people from treating each other badly.

It's ironic that it has become the way it is today.

yeah. a church friend and i had a chat yesterday. to some extent, im thankful she understands that it's not bad to have friends outside

although she first asked her husband if it was okay to talk to me

LOL

i'm glad we talked :hug:

you know, you and stef should really meet

....

the more you pimp her, the less i look forward to meeting her

LOL. you both have the same..bluntness. it will be entertaining

are you joining angel song reboot?please say you will

no

why not?

i don't like that setting much

aww. fuck, i'll be stuck with only DEREK??

...

i'm doomed