Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:07:59.000Z
[dwarfposting continues] So I did some cursory reading up on Dorflore in the LOTR wiki, just cuz
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Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:08:45.000Z
First of all, I think it's really funny that Aule made dwarves because he was super excited about having mortals to teach his shit to even though everyone had agreed that elves were going to be first
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:08:51.000Z
He just couldn't wait
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:09:01.000Z
But he made them live underground because he wanted to keep them a secret
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Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:09:24.000Z
Then the other Vala found out and he had to put them to sleep until the elves showed up
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:10:31.000Z
Also they were like "You have to destroy the Dwarves because we ALL AGREED the first race would be elves"
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:10:43.000Z
And he was just like "aw man" and went down there to crush them all with hammers
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:11:08.000Z
before Iluvatar had mercy and let him just put them into sleep mode
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:11:17.000Z
SECOND and much stupider thought
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:11:45.000Z
Canon lore is, apparently, that dwarf women stay at home because they are much rarer than dwarf men, at about a 1:2 ratio
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:12:07.000Z
(though they still have beards and are super strong and badass fighters and have all the other dwarf traits)
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:12:19.000Z
That's lame
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:12:22.000Z
Here's my take
moontouched
2024-12-29T23:12:28.000Z
i feel like the more sensible reason people think dwarf women are rarer than dwarf men
moontouched
2024-12-29T23:12:35.000Z
is because nobody bothers to tell dwarf women apart from dwarf men
Echo
2024-12-29T23:12:40.000Z
Yeah, agreed.
moontouched
2024-12-29T23:12:43.000Z
they just go beard? well must be a man
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:12:52.000Z
The first humans who met dwarves were learning about them
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:12:58.000Z
but there was a translation error
moontouched
2024-12-29T23:13:01.000Z
and the dwarf women are like "rude"
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:13:04.000Z
Human: "So where are all your women?"
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:13:15.000Z
Dwarves: "Well, the dwarves that raise the children"
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:13:29.000Z
Dwarves: "Ah, 'woman' is the human word for kindergarten teacher"
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:13:43.000Z
Dwarves: "Obviously they're all staying in the mountain halls with the children"
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:14:03.000Z
"They don't go on expeditions to the surface"
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:14:11.000Z
Humans: /write all this down
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:15:17.000Z
I fucked that up
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:15:40.000Z
H: "So where are all your women?"
D: "What is a woman?"
H: "Well, the dwarves that raise the children."
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:17:12.000Z
Point is I like the idea better that the dwarves just misunderstood because they don't have any social convention where one biological sex tends to be saddled with childcare
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:18:32.000Z
https://images.plurk.com/5ezs35PQPxHke3K1jPueLf.jpg Anywhere here is Aulë, Ainu of crafting and substances, super bummed out about having to kill all his creations
big woop
2024-12-29T23:19:18.000Z
I like that he's depicted wearing jeans
penis bacon
2024-12-29T23:25:48.000Z
Denim is the most divine of crafting substances, the closest mortals come to godlihood
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:25:59.000Z
If any of the ainu wore jeans
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:26:14.000Z
It stands to reason the patron of craftsmen would be it
Master Chieve
2024-12-29T23:26:37.000Z
he probably also has a flannel shirt somewhere
Echo
2024-12-29T23:51:37.000Z
The vibe I get is that despite living in a roughly medieval-to-Renaissance-at-most setting Aule is, somehow, a member of a steelworkers union.
Queen Bun
2024-12-30T00:05:16.000Z 2024-12-30T00:07:17.000Z
tbf, if the part of your species that can bear young is rarer than the part that can give out the genetic material, it makes a bit of sense to keep them a bit safer from a survival standpoint(because if you don't have half of the equation, you're boned). BUT also yeah how do you tell??? EVERYTHING IS BEARDS
big woop
2024-12-30T01:10:44.000Z
Also like, if you are focusing on a population of dwarves that are either in exile as a group or a functioning society within their stronghold there's no reason to assume the women should be hidden away?
big woop
2024-12-30T01:11:35.000Z
like the "dwarf women are kept safe from outside threats" thing only applies when the only dwarves you're dealing with are adventurers or diplomats in non-dwarf lands who have a secure homeland to retreat to.
big woop
2024-12-30T01:13:25.000Z
...which is to say, I think there's a strong case to be made for casting three or four of Thorin's company as women and giving them the same elaborate beards as the rest. And then just never addressing it.
Wild Child
2024-12-30T01:28:49.000Z
I've seen a variant on the "misdefiniton of woman" bit where dwarves assume that "woman" means "someone who is currently pregnant"
Wild Child
2024-12-30T01:28:58.000Z
and of course pregnant dwarves stay home to rest
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