Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:19:06.000Z
again. Ziel Post!
latest #147
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:19:20.000Z
"Where the fuck have you been for the last month?"
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:19:35.000Z
It's Ziel of the Wastelands
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:19:46.000Z
He just wandered off and spent a month hunting monsters
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Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:21:59.000Z
That feels to me like something he would do
Fabricati
2024-12-27T18:30:28.000Z
.... .... I need to think of a thread for this, it's too damned funny. .... Mn, but they don't know each other yet...
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:31:26.000Z
In the same sauna? staring at the bags full of animal parts?
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:34:17.000Z
But also: I apologize for Ziel
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:34:31.000Z
He is not very good at being social
Fabricati
2024-12-27T18:34:51.000Z
Neither is Natalia
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:48:05.000Z
what is social
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:48:09.000Z
can you eat it
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:48:30.000Z
Fabricati: there's always randomly wandering into the guy
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:49:26.000Z
(Now in the right place) trying to decide between meeting up with him when he's dealing with spoils or spa shenanigans
Fabricati
2024-12-27T18:49:39.000Z
That said-- bringing animal parts into a sauna? That's a special kind of ridiculous and deserves pointing out
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:50:17.000Z
wait did he bring crap into the sauna??
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:50:52.000Z
for Neph...even though she has magicked armour now, Nephenee miiiight eyeball that tougher-than-plate leather. But also I like making her turn bright red
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:51:03.000Z
choices
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:51:07.000Z
No he wouldn't have brought anything into the towel
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:51:24.000Z
phew, at least he knows not to do that
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:51:28.000Z
He turned that in for money then took it to Elysium
Fabricati
2024-12-27T18:51:49.000Z
Okay lemme edit that, I just thought it was the funniest image and cannot resist Cheap Joke
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:52:16.000Z
sorry if I wasn't clear
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:53:05.000Z
Overbringer: would you rather have him deal with a very flustered Sentinel in the spa or some nerding out over armour
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:54:37.000Z
Depends on if you want slightly more deadpan ziel or slightly less deadpan ziel
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T18:55:25.000Z
he'll be SLIGHTLY more invested in a conversation about monster hunting than he will be about propriety and nudity
Fabricati
2024-12-27T18:57:23.000Z
Better, more subtle joke: Natalia reading this as an Elysium Network contact
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T18:59:02.000Z
Someone Febreeze this boy
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:01:31.000Z
hmm, as much as part of me would rather dealing with slightly less deadpan and thus easier to engage Ziel...brain screams for flustered country girl...agh
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:03:50.000Z
You must follow the inscrutable exhortations of your soul
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:04:06.000Z
...I'M SORRY IT SAYS SPA
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:06:58.000Z
SO BE IT
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:22:15.000Z
No freaking out yet at least
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:28:06.000Z
Okay important question
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:28:12.000Z
How do we not have the thread be
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:28:18.000Z
"Oh sorry" /Ziel leaves
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:28:30.000Z
As that wouldn't be a super interesting thread
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:36:54.000Z
It is a public area, so it's not like there's THAT much privacy to begin with? The workers would've said that much I figure, if he hasn't used the springs before. Maybe he just answers who it is and gets in the springs as you do. They're kind of big, so he wouldn't have to be right nearby
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:37:00.000Z
is how I figure it
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:37:22.000Z
if it hits too much of a block I can swap over to the other prompt
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:38:29.000Z
ahhh okay I was picturing a more private set up
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:38:46.000Z
He can just get in on the other side of a rock or something then
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:39:34.000Z
inb4 Neph gets a bit of a crush on him because tall + strong + dark hair is a type for her
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T19:40:32.000Z
In fact lemme change my tag a bit
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T19:46:34.000Z
/nod
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T19:55:46.000Z
Did we want to assume some CR with Renne? Since she kind of killed a fair few Corsairs back when she was like 6
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:08:45.000Z
If she needed some kind of hardcore training regime she might have gone to the Dawnwings for a bit before they were destroyed
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:09:01.000Z
In which case she would have met Ziel before he was massively traumatized and depressed
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:10:57.000Z
Her training/enhancements were generally done in evil cults and evil secret societies so she would have been an antagonistic force until some compassionate corsairs managed to adopt her and turn her to their side
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:11:21.000Z
Okay so not the Dawnwings
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:11:30.000Z
Evil cults generally don't go for Dawn symbolism
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:11:46.000Z
It would be kind of funny if Ziel had HEARD stories about a tiny child murdering imperials and thoguht
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:11:50.000Z
"That's ridiculous"
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:11:59.000Z
"I don't believe in her."
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:12:39.000Z
Yeah I'm generally just porting her canon orgs over with a slight reskinning but I don't honestly have to change THAT much
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:12:59.000Z
Since her home setting already has a Fascist Germanic Empire so eyyyyy
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:13:18.000Z
The cult she had originally been kidnapped by and experimented on he might have had run-ins with though
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:13:36.000Z
The Dawnwings were kind of seen by the common folk as heroes
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:13:48.000Z
As well as Ouroboros/the Society which is generally a pro-Imperial secret society that believes they can pupeteer the Empire
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:14:02.000Z
(Their popularity and refusal to be bullied by local Imperial forces is a big part of why they got wiped out)
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:14:33.000Z
So yeah Ziel having had a run in with Ouroboros and smashed some guys through a wall feels very plausible
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:15:00.000Z
Perhaps they thought they could get agents into the Dawnwings and puppeteer them too
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:15:08.000Z
the D:G Cult would raze homes and villages, kill the parents, abduct the children and experiment on them, with very few of said children surviving
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:15:20.000Z
that's fucked up
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:15:38.000Z
Also the child brothel thing which is about all I'll say on that
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:15:40.000Z
so D:G = Ouroboros = The Society
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:15:42.000Z
?
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:16:03.000Z
No, the Society is a different group of still evil people who are less evil than the cult
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:16:17.000Z
They picked her up after raiding the cult and used her as an assassin afterward
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:16:37.000Z
Well, suffice to say
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:16:40.000Z
Basically D:G Cult is extremely evil and fucked up child experimenters who even the Empire wants dead
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:17:00.000Z
Ouroboros is a bit more acceptable pro-Imperial secret society but does dirty work the Empire doesn't officially condone
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:17:08.000Z
The Dawnwings were generally upstanding heroic types who protected civilians from monster attacks
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:17:23.000Z
So my thinking is they might've actually come into conflict when she was working with the Society
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:17:25.000Z
(Dragons, in canon, but there are no dragons here so they're just more generalized monster hunters)
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:17:41.000Z
So if there's a group that's all about subtly tugging at politics
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:17:42.000Z
(Dragons DO still exist they're all just mostly underground due to the whole genocide thing)
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:17:56.000Z
Yeah Ouroboros is definitely subtly tugging at politics
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:17:59.000Z
(Right but they wouldn't be raiding villages for sheep and such)
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:18:15.000Z
it's actually pretty unlikely that they would have had a lot of clashes with the Dawnwings
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:19:12.000Z
Unless they actually tried to infiltrate the group
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:19:33.000Z
Which, having a bunch of big dump meathead heroes at your beck and call would probably have a certain appeal to a group like that
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:19:45.000Z
dumb*
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:21:08.000Z
The empire did eventually wipe them out right? Ouroboros would probably have at the very least skirmished with them since they are often used to wipe out groups the Empire finds annoying but doesn't want to officially move against
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:21:35.000Z
Renne was in fact an Enforcer, so her job was to do the necessary slaughtering of said individuals and groups
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:22:24.000Z
The empire did eventually wipe them out
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:22:58.000Z
Local Imperial forces found them too strong to take on and were contemplating calling in reinforcements to deal with them when the Dawnwing HQ was destroyed by a particularly unstoppable behemoth
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:23:14.000Z
So it sounds like our best bets are either "six-year-old murder child? pfft sounds fake" or "someone who he actively fought like 11 years ago"
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:23:21.000Z
The refugees came to the nearest city for help and the Imperials were like "Yeah about that"
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:23:47.000Z
"You're all going to die except for Ziel who we're going to torture and break by watching everyone he ever knew and loved die horribly."
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:23:54.000Z
"Then dump him in a ditch while laughing"
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T20:24:06.000Z
...I love the idea of Ziel being like "I don't believe in her" like Renne's Santa
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:24:24.000Z
Mix them together
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:24:31.000Z
gothloli murdersanta!
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:24:36.000Z
Ziel was like "a 6 year old assassin? Sounds fake"
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:24:39.000Z
UNTIL he met her
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:25:02.000Z
She couldn't kill him because he's extremely hard to kill but he spent the whole clash going "WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK"
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:25:37.000Z
My general thinking is she now likely just trolls him relentlessly becaus she finds him amusing
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:26:46.000Z
He wouldn't be a very amusing person to troll, these days
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:26:54.000Z
He probably would have been 10 years ago
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:27:07.000Z
She might be just low-key looking out for him at this point
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:27:32.000Z
The Dawnwing incident was 4 years ago, for reference
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:27:39.000Z
well...time is passing so probably closer to 5
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:27:43.000Z
She's grown quite a bit so she's a lot more considerate at the very least
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:28:22.000Z
I'm gonna say that, most likely, Ziel at least would not recognize her
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:28:30.000Z
though she could probably remember him
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:28:40.000Z
He's been with the Corsairs for the last 5 years?
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:29:38.000Z
no he joined up when the game started
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:29:54.000Z
Ahhh right right I do remember this actually
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:30:04.000Z
he spent the 4 intervening years in a depressed daze looking for a cure to the spiritual torture that was inflicted on him
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:30:47.000Z
then the Corsairs were like "You used to be kind of a hero and we have some specialized healers who might be able to help you" and he reluctantly joined up
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:31:11.000Z
Rezo has since been gradually undoing the damage, slowly bringing him back up to his old strength
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:31:39.000Z
How likely would he be to recognize her weapon if they had fought in the past? It's fairly distinctive: https://imgs.plurk.com/QEI/rsz/oTtcRkhBIAxpeWd4LDdmJqGuIIm_lg.jpg
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:31:59.000Z
(Wow that image broke spectacularly)
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:33:24.000Z
(Plurk does that)
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:33:32.000Z
He would very likely remember the weapon, yeah
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:33:35.000Z
it's pretty distinctive
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:34:43.000Z
https://images.plurk.com/2hOY23kc3NNHIHQxo2mFOr.png this is the only official canon image of Ziel so big scythe vs big hammer
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:35:04.000Z
Renne also tends to go for decapitation right off the bat
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:35:39.000Z
Her style is very much quick kill whenever possible so she probably got a bit annoyed when fighting him
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:36:27.000Z
Ziel's fighting style is
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:36:34.000Z
- Defense level one million
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:36:40.000Z
- Offense level one million
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:36:53.000Z
- Wait until they tire themselves out then crush them into paste
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:38:03.000Z
Renne probably would have moved to spamming magic after her quick kill tactics didn't work
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:39:52.000Z
Well I have an idea for a tag since Renne's now studying at the Vault so this works!
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:40:09.000Z
The big advantage she would have had is that he would deadass not be willing to hit a 6 year old with a giant hammer
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:40:22.000Z
but yes enough of that go tag
AzureChrysanthemum
2024-12-27T20:44:22.000Z
He probably would have found her physical strength alarming since she would have been on the general boosting drugs the Empire uses
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T20:47:59.000Z
/nodnod
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T21:51:00.000Z
Overbringer: has he gotten pretty destinkified before being in the springs, or might there be a tinge left?
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T21:53:30.000Z
He’s probably down to normal person levels of stink, instead of feral mountain man levels
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:12:19.000Z
Ziel you're supposed to wash before the springs :-P
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:12:27.000Z
not bring in soap silly
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T22:13:37.000Z
It’s fine. Don’t worry about it
Fabricati
2024-12-27T22:21:57.000Z
Sorry about that @_@
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T22:22:31.000Z
See previous comment, but in a slightly different tone of voice
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:26:13.000Z
sorry Ziel, she might comment on that :-P
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T22:35:19.000Z
In my defense
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T22:35:31.000Z
I don't know SHIT about open air hot spring ettiquette
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T22:35:35.000Z
I've never been to one
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:36:26.000Z
that's fine! I've never been to one either, I only know of some of it from anime tbh
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:36:38.000Z 2024-12-27T22:36:46.000Z
I kind of assumed Ziel doesn't know either
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:37:02.000Z
Not trying to give you actual crap
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:39:04.000Z
from what I understand, in Japan you wash up before going into the springs like you would before a bath
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:40:02.000Z
but this is more Talia's purview. therealbliss
Master Chieve
2024-12-27T22:40:31.000Z
We can take it as Ziel having lived in the woods for a month
Queen Bun
2024-12-27T22:52:41.000Z
/nodnod
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