[one piece] [drama??]
So This is Basically One PieceOnce Piece enjoyers can you watch this and let me know if it's overly cynical/hateful lmao
So This is Basically One PieceOnce Piece enjoyers can you watch this and let me know if it's overly cynical/hateful lmao
Jello does these 'So this is basically xyz' videos occasionally, used to be more frequent, not more like one a year. also known for the reason I fell head first into ISAT and his video essay on why Fred is the best scooby do character
anyway the 'this is basically' series is Alright. Usually gets a good chuckle and i go about my business. SAME WITH THIS ONE
but holy shit i have never seen so much hatred and disappointment in the comments before lmao
OP fans are usually chill from what I've seen but they are angry
am i missing context?? IS THIS DISRESPECTFUL? i'm so curious
Which Scooby-Doo Character is the Best?one piece aside this is still my fave essay on fred idc if it's three years old i will watch it again and again
Oof, okay
so as a one piece fan from WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back in the distant past, he is definitely coming across as EXTREMELY rude and heavy handed
however, the issue is...he's not entirely wrong in what he's saying
they hated him because hes right
One Piece is incredibly flawed, and Oda is a...not great person. In fact, his treatment of not only his female characters, but his female readers was so fucking atrocious and misogynistic that it's what made me stop reading
freckledknight: bullseye
Like, could he say the same thing in a far more respectful way?? Oh, absolutely.
Would get him as much views and clout?? lol...lmao...
The issue is not that he's wrong. The issue is the delivery of the truth
StarFruity: yeah his entire series is this exact same tone, so it's not like, a pointed attack on OP lol. like here's his mha
So This is Basically My Hero Academia
So This is Basically My Hero Academia
OKAY SO IT'S A FANDOM NOT LIKING HIS TONE, GOT IT
I didn't even know jello had uploaded first I found his vid cuz i saw two call out videos about it first
and i was like lmao what
oh, 1000% the fans are pissed because he's taking a massive dump on something they love
which in their defense is extremely valid!!
yea but also: jsut don't comment and don't make call out videos???
but i know not to expect much from fandoms sob
but like I said, the man's not wrong. He's literally saying a lot of truths, but he is NOT being gentle about it
so there's no "right side" of this whole ordeal
YEAH BASICALLY LOL
I am glad tho thank u I was like damn did JELLO DO SOMETHING--
no. no shounen fans just being themselves alkdjfskf
y...yeah...
it sure do just be like that 
HE IS
also the fact someone genuinely sent in that ask has me wanting to vomit
the one about nami :')
I SHOULDN'T BE FUCKING SURPRISED AND YET.
i would not be surprised lolol. DISAPPOINTED but not surprised lma
o*
scrolls youtube comments sees someone going 'this is a little too criticizey for me'
nods
someone said the quiet part aloud
fucking lmao (negative)
like jello can be pretty correct about things, but he's also hella opinionated, especially about things he dislikes
the adventure time and rwby videos give me pain
I think I don't mind his brand of opinionated cuz he's usually right lol
doesn't mean they're GOOD opinions tho, just subjective
OP fans angy tho
i always feel like So This Is Basically are so clearly opinion and almost certainly the specific opinion that forms when you kinda like something but are frustrated by it
yeah generally you don't make cute funny vids like this unless you love something lol
especially animated bits
like the So This Is Basically Genshin one was like 'this is correct in a way that only someone who liked it enough to get really really pissed at certain specific parts of it would create'
'this is not casual haterdom'
apocalypsebird: literally this
wheeze
yeah lmao
it's just annoying being on the other side of haters parroting those takes a billion times
opinions of fans who have specific grievances are the most vicious of all opinions
I decided to check this twitter and someone really threw the age old 'the age of consent is 16 your see' at him
amazing
like someone who has not read a lot of One Piece would not notice or care about these patterns or have a specific bone to pick about a specific character not getting any fights
for example i have not read a lot of One Piece and was just like huh! a lot happens in this series huh
like i generally give two shits about ages in shounen cuz whatever but i can't blame people for being a little "UH" if he's drawing and writing 16 yos like this lolol
I haven't watched this one bc I don't watch his videos anymore but I know he has a habit of shitting on female characters a lot
i simply won't consume it but i aint gonna be mad at someone calling shit stanky lol
same
Sippycup: hilariously he doesn't do that. in fact his main complaint is why doesn't robin get more screentime.
but his previous videos I've seen he was shitty about Mabel, rwby girls (especially Blake) and Maya
lol
well that's right
gawd tbf 80% of fandom is weird about mabel
why are so people so mad at this literal child character aldkfjaskf
yeah
bizarre
so many*
it's kind of a litmus test for me
if you're shitty about Mabel you're probably a misogynist!
it's bc Mabel was selfish and boy crazy sometimes, which is illegal when a girl does it
dipper is allowed tho
both of them are 12 like, relax,
i wouldn't go that far usually it's 'you do not understand children characters and put them on the same moral pedastle as fully coingnizant adults"
wow there are so many typos there but you get the gist alkdjfskadf
I usually end up being right tho you are correct
but yea just this vid in particular has spawned response vids and a flooded comment section
and apparently death threats lmao
i think in part tho it's due to the internet just being...more volatile and ppl thinking their opinions need to be heard in response to something someone else said
yeah and op has a big fandom
instead of going not for me and doing something else with your day wheeze
apocalypsebird: it's while they're saying YOU CALLED ODA A PEDO and he's like all i said is he's making characters with big titties and sexualizing that are the same age of his kids and that's p weird 'BUT YOU WERE MEAN ABOUT IT'
and that's like. damn that sums up twitter huh
But You Were Mean About It
it's wild*
but you were mean about it
not looking at things you don't like? impossible
it's a pit I can't let myself jump into anymore
it's not worth it
i'm not even exaggerating
literally said that
its bad and mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
imagine how much time i'd waste if i jumped into every comment section that bashes dangan ronpa v3
i aint got time for that
i'll only do it on plurk--(no)
(tho re mabel I do have to say fandom is a lot nastier about her compared to stan and Ford, two grownass men who act like children sometimes, that part def has a splash of misogyny imo)
oh i don't disagree, I just don't think always hating mabel = misogynist, I've seen the take even FROM young kids back in the day lol
dipper is the main protag and the 'logical' one so ppl unconsciously give him far more leeway and grace even tho he's also a stupid ass kid
shout out to alex hirsch never once demonizing mabel tho he knows what's up
honestly it must have been bizarre seeing mabel hate and he's like lmao guys that's based on my twin sister chill
also frankly mabel can be really annoying. i love her for that tho
some ppl have a limit tho lol
yeah and dippers heterosexual nonsense
gawd
at least the fandom agrees on that
but yeah Alex hirsh is a real one
[NO ONE LIKED THAT] re dipper's crush lol
but yeah I do find in general jellos videos are kind of. just shitting on things and trying to pass it off at humour which is not my style of humour and why I don't watch his stuff
he's not wrong about oda being gross lol
yeah that's absolutely valid, i can def see some people being like eeeh this is just a rant video disguised as a silly animation
(they are)
but like no one is being forced to watch his content they can simply. not watch
that said watch "So You're Stuck In a Time Loop" it's not mean at all and watch jello and his crew fall in love with a game--
So, You're Stuck in a Time Loop!
So, You're Stuck in a Time Loop!
me secretly hoping 'maybe all the hate will make people hate watch and they'll fall into the the ISAT trap'
dflkjgdsklfjgds
my first exposure to jello being ISAT left me really unprepared for when he doesn't like things ngl
YEA ISAT very much punched them in the face and left an impression lolol
man if this vid pisses OP fans off i'd hate to have any attention on my OP opinions
and i'm a fan of the thing, technically dorohedoro: its so weird cuz i was under the impression that OP fans were chill and just went with the flow
clearly, i was misinformed
tbh i think a lot of them ... are, honestly. there's just a sizable portion of them that aren't, which doesn't shock me
one piece is one of those manga that actively got people to cease being suicidal because they found it - is a manga specifically written with intentions of being the sort of manga that saves lives, and that's not me ascribing charitable intentions that's a thing oda's outright stated is his purpose with it
the vocal minority
and it's also
the most popular shonen manga in the world
oh yea like, i aint dismissing the importance of OP. mad respect to its legacy
which means its vocal minority of people who are just absolutely fucking incapable of distinguishing where their happiness ends and the material under examination begins is larger than most series' majority
but its still like. If say if the Lion King had more questionable stuff, you can like something and still look at it critically
oh no i wasn't trying to like. argue in its like. defense with that statement i was just trying to contextualize like. "man if most of the fanbase here is probably chill WHERE THE FUCK did all these lunatics come from, there's SO MANY"
that said I'd also probably get boo'd. I haven't read the original material
only netflix OP
and i love it
hell yea put netflix sanji in the manga instead bangs gavel
AND YEAH sometimes it's like. blinks. oh right this fandom is huge,,
i wanna be clear i love OP for a lot of what it does but i want to fistfight eiichiro oda as a person for making one of the greatest works in the genre i've ever seen so much worse and unpalatable than it needs to be by deliberate choice
i feel like. jjk and mha fandom combined is probably only 1% of OP's fandom
and i will call oda pedo-adjacent for one simple reason and that's because sometimes, a guy keeps doing shit irl and you gotta judge him by the company he keeps. oda singlehandedly saved nobuhiro watsuki's chance to keep publishing in shonen jump with an implicit threat to stop publishing OP
and he did the same for another jump author actually caught trying to sleep with a teenager through compensated-dating
Yeeeeep
so it's like.
I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT ENOUGH BUT. shrug
there is a world where i could believe "the way oda responds to comments about his teen girl characters is just because he doesn't see the problem with jump's general editorial culture around it being okay to discuss girls and women like that" and it's not the world we live in, with the IRL facts of his behavior
and it still wouldn't make those comments fuckin' okay, actually
YEAH LIKE. without other context you could be like 'well he is making a manga who's primary audience is horny teen boys, it's to be expected'
buuuuuuuuuuut. lol.
but, like. unfortunately actually acknowledging that gets you death threats from the deranged side of the fandom for being an anti
whew
as someone who doesn't like one piece and says it p often around one piece fans i can say they can def get offended really easily, even for criticisms like "her boobs are literally bigger than her head"
but yeah. idk he's not saying anything incorrect here, listening to it, he's just being real flippant about it, which is like. if this were something that mattered deeply enough to me that i wanted to protect, i'd feel a little ego-bruised too. but it's also like. just a tone/delivery thing
i think some people are too immature to grasp that concept tho.
which isn't an excuse for the way they're acting up but it's like.
ah yes. of course some people are going to be Like This
"dudebro" fans of one piece in particular can get really nasty if you say you don't like it
media fans in general get really defensive about non-fans pointing out the way their fave artist might be prioritizing their ability to turn girls into appealing objects of art rather than characters but nobody is more vindictive about it than shonen fans
quite possibly because on some level they understand the critique is valid and aren't emotionally developed enough in how they relate to things they like to be able to find an answer to what that says about them that they might like it anyway, still, despite that, that they can live with. but that's just guesswork on my end
whatever the reason - they can get so vindictive, yeah
wack lol
I got like.... mid-way through One Piece and youtuber man isn't completely wrong. I literally fell out of reading the manga since the story stopped being about the straw hats and became about boring edo period characters for what felt like 40 chapters.
My wife and I disagree about OP, and she's extremely mellow about it, but I can tell why this pissed people off, lmao
jello coming out of the well to shame One Piece kind
Jello slowly raises a mirror, one piece fans begin screaming at the reflection of the truths
I think some of this is also because OP has had a very strange trajectory in the West
It's hella popular and big now, but back during the "Big Three" days it was the afterthought manga that most western readers didn't even give a chance
When people were like "Yeah Bleach/Naruto are the best manga on the planet...and One Piece is popular in Japan"
And I think it gave some fans a Complex about being seen as the inferior shounen compared to them and the shounen series that came after
So they get Extremely Defensive about it
dorohedoro: one of the hosts of Terrace House reality show also said that Oda told him that he was rooting for the mid/late twenty year old guy and the 18, but still in high school girl. Basically in the realm of TECHNICALLY it's legal but how does someone not feel incredibly weird about it
One Piece being One Piece also makes a lot of fan have very very little chill because they take pride in being a fan of the BEST THING EVER, which a lot of fans do too lbr, but like multiply it by tenfold
sliding in here... yeah this video sucks, fam
They take pride in some of the weirdest things that shouldn't even be competitions, like "[Mangaka] needs to take a break? They should get on Oda's level" YEAH THE DUDE'S INCREDIBLY IMPRESSIVE but who asked you...???
A defensive One Piece fan is like a regular Black Clover fan but on steroids.
there are a few bits in here that got a chuckle out of me but the entire rest of it feels just... inherently spiteful? not just to Oda, but like, to fans of OP in general and its like... those are the people who are gonna WATCH your video...? wild choice
like im not even a huge fan of it and even im looking at some of the "jokes" in this and thinking that these are less jokes more just straight up demeaning
that said, the thumbnail and title goes give the audience any warning that it was going to be a harsh critique video vs something comedic
*doesnt give any warning
like if it was titled "EVERYTHING WRONG WITH ONE PIECE" at least you know you're going ino.
like tbh I dont even think you'd have to be the biggest most defensive OP fan to take offense to this thing. Though it IS funny to me that they immediately fuckin. tore jello to shreds over his "characters you can cut without changing the story" bit
which like, objectively yes is true, but there's something immensely funny about how jello crossed out FRANKY but intentionally chose a bad picture and blurred out his name to try and like, hide it. and ofc people caught it.
i'm half agreeing and half disagreeing with his points
but tbh this reads like a video of someone who likes a thing but also hates that they like it
and That's a Feel I Understand.
tbh it doesn't even strike me as a "harsh critique" though because it's just parroting the most common OP critiques while also being... blatantly incorrect at certain points? like if it was a joke video, who cares if he got shit wrong, but like... mixed together it gives this feeling of a critique by someone who didn't even give it a chance anyway
it genuinely just feels like he was just trying to piss people off
engagement
Starting reading this plurk i imagined it worse than it was, but this doesn't even touch the stuff that Tara mentioned\ [sweats]
but i think some of these opinions are just basically incompatible
"I want this story to be more concise"
vs
"I want one piece to last forever"
"I want this story to be more concise"
vs
"I want one piece to last forever"
lolol they don't like his tone
so it makes sense people got so pissed in particular about the "characters you can cut without changing the story" because it basicaslly goes against what one piece is essentially about, which is like the Adventure and world building, even if it doesnt contribute to the overall plot.
and as for the whole pedo stuff... idk man maybe it's just because my stance on the whole thing is that I literally do not give a shit when it comes to anime girls being sexualized. like its not a real girl, nor is she designed like a child, so I don't care. but the whole thing just came off as incredibly obnoxious to me.
Not that I haven't side-eyed Oda myself and if it makes you uncomfortable then you're perfectly valid, but like... it's a drawn out bit about a mangaka who has had notoriously bad health habits that ends with like... him sexualizing his daughters...? it just wasn't a good bit I think
nah, tara mentioned Oda keeps helping pedos out
which is an industry wide, and very very much a WSJ problem, but no one throws their weight to help them out like Oda does
getting deeply aggressively defensive about a shounen is such a universal experience in those fandoms and one piece is so ubiquitous it's really taken off with the death threat community
ah... well that sucks
majority of the Jump mangaka are like "okay fine i'll draw them a congratutory art thing" which isn't great by any means, but Oda did multiple crossovers with Toriko. He has a consistent history of helping out revive the careers of convicted creeps
WELP I take most of THAT back then. I don't exactly follow shit that Oda does unless it happens to come across me so whoops, didn't know that
i honestly dont even blink at the stuff oda says in the Q&As and his character designs because he's incredibly immature lol boobs about it, i kind of think he's still permanently mentally there, and this is a jump manga after all,
but yeah the stuff in real life sucks
but yeah the stuff in real life sucks
oh yeah. that isnt a "think about the fictional children" pedo thing this is a "oda is an outspoken supporter of his mentor/the ruroken artist who had so much csa material police thought he was a creator/distributor" and hes probably a supporter of others too (along with most shounen jump mangaka. honestly.)
(wsj just does not give a shit what their money makers do)
[plurk loads] yeah he really publicly goes out of his way for his Real Pedo friends to keep them secure in his industry
so not even mentioning that is pretty softball
yeaaaaaaaaah didnt know bout all that, my bad. I thought it was a "think about the fictional children" bit, whoops.
honest the way One Piece's humor is so immature is why I havent picked up where I left off... I used to be a big fan, i stopped right before Dressrosa, but honestly I watched One Piece Red, and it was really jarring how the jokes were exactly the same as what i remember reading when I was 12, i just didn't want to read it anymore.
it's not great 
i don't know if Oda is a misogynist, but i do think he's intentionally writing in a way that is completely stunted when it comes to the jokes about boobs and women-crazy characters like sanji etc
one piece is just one of those weird series that doesn't really completely age with you, because it is still a series that has a lot of appeal with kids, so a lot of its humor still reads like early one piece
honestly ive never exactly meshed with Oda's style when it comes to character designs anyway. I will say that, credit where it's due, OP has some banger emotional moments.
I wonder if this is a fandom sphere litmus test because I also don't really think this video even reads as that aggro, wheez
watching old Lupin III anime vs watching more recent Lupin III anime, you notice that it completely dropped the old fashioned perv lech jokes
one piece itself is kind of a time capsule....
capybarasona: YEAH I DIDNT THINK IT WAS THAT AGGRO EITHER... except the implications he doesnt care about his daughters because he draws sexualized teen girls
Tbh, aside from the way he designs women, the writing has never felt extremely misogynistic to me? Like, ig if you grade it on the amount of fights they get then SURE but like. I actually like it when there's more to a character's importance than just how frequently they kick ass.
i cannot comment on plot anymore since 10 years have passed since ive last read any of its canon
i love Nami and Robin a lot.
he's just really into the tiddy
I can only hazard a guess that Oda writes like Oda has written in the past when before it would've been more progressive, but now doesnt really jive as well with contemporary tastes
it's a fucking old ass canon still on going
I will say it definitely feels aggro to anybody who's like. Seriously invested in the world of OP. Like, if there's one thing diehard anime fans hate, it's when someone says something blatantly wrong... the amount of OP fans I've seen who have been calling out Jello's joke about how you can just leave the Grand Line with "the calm belt???"
yeah for sure
one piece fans love that it's long
to a similar extent his bit about every arc being the same getting hit with long lists of popular arcs that don't follow that formula in the slightest
like its honestly kind of interesting to see
i do feel like majority of one piece arcs are 'strawhat pirates come fuck up the corrupt system in place', which really doesn't capture the nuance, but it's true, aside from water 7
as far as i can tell there's one thing that can definitively be said about anime fans... and it's that they're perfectionists.
wildmichimon: lol yeah that was uncalled for
just in general anime fans are really weird in that they consider criticism the same as being a hater, speaking as someone who has gotten dogpiled before for apparently hating a character....that i actually love a lot
the fallout from the bit about there being no consequences either has ALSO been fun to watch because... on one hand, correct, but also cut to every OP fan immediately screaming "ACE!?!?"
despite loving one piece a lot in the past, for me, One Piece is the reason i feel like i'd much rather have a canon that changes over time, like Lupin III, James Bond, Doctor Who etc
im also gonna be perfectly honest. its worth mentioning that Jello has proven on a good few occasions that they're... not the best person either. kind of obnoxious, even.
iirc didnt they get into huge trouble in the anime localization scheme after they took some anime (idk/idr which one it was) and apparently made a bunch of changes that "made it way better" because "the original was REALLY bad" and bragged about it
I have no idea who this person is, but anyone who makes it their business to speak with any kind of authority over anime to a wider audience is going to be an obnoxious person
especially when they focus on negatives
like gosh, im opinionated, but am i making a podcast?
but yeah like the video generalizes a lot and there's some cheap low blows, but i agree with some of the stuff said here
thats fair, they've just always striken me as someone who's extremely self-righteous and self-important. PARTICULARLY when it comes to things they don't like. Like I remember really enjoying some of their other more positive videos! but then when it comes to other stuff...
which combined with their ability to make BIG stinks in communities thanks to their clout is... not great.
it's kind of funny, we're so used to speaking in the hyporbolic, but then when it's something that people disagree with, suddenly the words are incredibly literal and picked apart
case and point uh, this
nodnod
I mean it makes sense that it would be. Talking exaggeratedly about something in a positive sense goes down easier because... well, it
it's positive... doing the same about something in a negative light though just makes it go down worse
we're in the era which just calling something mid is treated with the same severity as an affront to nature
like, even putting aside any correct takes the video might have, this thing was undoubtedly made with the intent of stirring the pot. Like, it's mixed in with enough reasonable takes and criticisms to be played off as just "his opinion" but like, there's shit in here that's like... there is no other possible way for this to go down.
oh yeah it was definitely intentional rage bait
his silent hatred of the character Franky is especially funny though because they don't even make any obnoxious jabs at him, they just blatantly treat him like he doesn't exist.
it's funny because I think that Franky should've been the last strawhat to join, temp members not included
honestly on that topic the entire bit about characters that could be removed while still telling the same story... that has to be the wildest ragebait because like. there's no way you can't have expected them to immediately go through your entire list
and NOT notice all of the MAJOR CHARACTERS that you included in it
the criticisms he has against one piece red is so funny "oh there's no consequences to abandoning your children to have an adventure" because that's not what happened at all. That's the only one piece thing in a decade i've touched and it wrecked me lmao
RIGHT???
Yassopp sure
not shanks and Uta tho lol
anyway that criticism is so funny to me because it can be used word for word to talk about the cast of dragonball and then my brain just goes "it's not that deep."
like yeah you're right there ARE far too many characters but like come on man did you seriously think they wouldn't catch that?
I do think this list is more or less a mix of "characters we can do without" and "characters jello doesn't like"
i honestly think that's a joke and shouldnt be nitpicked but that's just me
just the general message - there's a lot of fat that could've been trimmed
IT IS... but its just funny to me
cuz like, again, this video is meant to be ragebait. so it's funny to see all the subtler pokes.
but yeah one piece's portrayal of women really just feels like Oda is writing/drawing to his tastes as he has always been. He's just a boob man. I dunno if really means he's a sexist/misogynist
It's like telling Horikoshi not to draw women with muscles. It's certainly more palatable, but it doesn't mean it's not his fetish
It's like telling Horikoshi not to draw women with muscles. It's certainly more palatable, but it doesn't mean it's not his fetish
but im also a weirdo who didn't even realize it was meant to be sexy because Oda's art style is so goofy and SHAPES it doesn't even register to me that it's meant to be sexy in any way
i realize that's not universal lol
Gawd I hated one piece red jddgssf it was the most 'yea this character has toootally been around forever and also [smash bros music/] everyone is here!!!" Lmao
But yea as far as tone goes literally all of his vids in the series sound like this, just unfortunately I guess poking OP fans is a hornets nest hfdhdxg
Also I'd be less critical of ideas women if they all literally didn't look the same
Either you're shaped like a blow up doll or a fat caricature no in between
I think I'm a lil more lenient to crit on long running canons cuz. Pokeani fan lol. 25 years of ppl being like 'lol ash is 10 forever and never evolves his pokemon and there's no plot' 
fools
fools
three circles and an X
In contrast here jello is making so many specific points and choices you know he's actually consumed the thing, so anything he includes is for a bit and mostly not wrong lol
Also I'll say this for as mad as ppl are about Franky missing I sure don't see a lot of Franky content in the wild so maybe he could be cut jgddgjs
I have no idea tho
franky's introduction is integrated into a very important plot arc since he's the ship mechanic, and builds their new ship, which is more than i can say about Brooke (skeleton guy) who is musician and overlaps with Sanji's woman crazy side
pokemon lasting forever generally has no problems afaik????? content size i mean
wildmichimon: oh I just meant I'm used to ppl being completely wrong about it cuz they watched the og season and literally nothing else lol
ahhhhh i see
Vs this where I doubt jello could have made such specific points without actually consuming all of it
right it does feel like he watched/read a good chunk of it
I didn't know that about Franky tho that explains why he's a cyborg. I was like well they have a skeleton why not a robot I guess!!
mostly for me, it's like, all the strawhats will have a sad backstory at introduction, but afterwards, their characterization just kind of is stuck on neutral, which for Franky and brooke are obnoxious, but brooke annoys me more because it's just "can i see your panties"
and franky's role is at least more integral
and if one piece already has an abundance of silliness, brooke just feels like he's just kind of overlapping in areas that were already covered
brooke's introduction, thriller bark also is one of those "fun but probably not important islands/arcs" that could've been cut as well
one piece just has cast bloat imo, but i dont know why jello hates franky of all people lol
but yeah Jello just hit on a nerve, the things he says aren't necessarily wrong, but he does maybe use the wrong examples, so people are gonna nitpick that.
and the things he finds annoying about one piece, is precisely the stuff that one piece fandom likes: the fact it IS so long running, and i've seen sooooo many tweets like
OMG THIS CALLS BACK TO 500 CHAPTERS AGO. ODA IS A GENIUS WHO HAD BEEN PLANTING THESE CLUES A DECADE AGO
OMG THIS CALLS BACK TO 500 CHAPTERS AGO. ODA IS A GENIUS WHO HAD BEEN PLANTING THESE CLUES A DECADE AGO
which i can understand why that would annoy jello, but also piss off fandom that jello could possibly frame that as a bad thing
Nodnod. I think I have a slight Brooke bias cuz I remember him from cfud lmao. But that all makes sense
yeah i only like brooke bc of cfud
but in the plot it's just kind of like "why you here my dude."
Loool
fandom is just weird about Oda in particular because they love putting him on a pedastal as this hard working dude who never takes long breaks, vs LAZY MANGAKA WHO GET HEALTH FAILURES WRITING A MANGA THAT ONLY LASTS 6 YEARS
not word for word I KID
but yeah i specifically remember when JJK ended and the OP fans were like "lol rushed ending, no one is doing it like Oda"
wheeze no u right
I DON'T KNOW, STEVE, MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO READ A 30+ YEAR PLUS CANON, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
i mean having such an long running entertaining canon is really something to be proud of... but yeah jello saying some plots are recycled and unnecessary and the whole "leaving bread crumbs of clues over years = annoying", i can see how that might piss off the fans
BUT THAT IS THE DETECTIVE CONAN EXPERIENCE
LMAO I WAS ABOUT TO SAY
one piece clearly trying to compete with detective conan
one piece clearly trying to compete with detective conan
you don't see detective conan fans going batshit at critique that the series is too long, there's too much episodic murder, and the plot only happens every 5 years
DC fans would say 'ur right but im in this hell for life." Detective Conon is an extreme tho. XD
but it does kind of feel like OP is kind of mirroring the DC experience, but not AS bad LMAO
It's true DC fans know what they're about
OP fans are just weird subset of shonen fans because it's like there's a large number of people who don't like WSJ specifically because it's way too long, but OP fans think that that is a strength
and cannot fathom that other people don't want the same
i mean sure, it can be sad when something you like ends, but you move on, but, i guess to repeat what tara has said, some people live for one piece, which is pretty amazing
but tbh... i really don't think the really vocal fans online are those people who have read it for more than a decade, they all seem kind of young and immature so idk what's up with THAT
but tbh... i really don't think the really vocal fans online are those people who have read it for more than a decade, they all seem kind of young and immature so idk what's up with THAT
so i just assume it's just current baby fandom MY FAVE SERIES IS BEST with specifically the mixture of IT WILL STAY COOKING FOR YEARSSSSSSSS
HOW ARE YOU FIND FAULT WITH THE ASPECTS I LIKE THE MOST ABOUT IT
christ, my dudes, it is fine. I'd be more shocked if a series that long wasn't repetitive in some way. not everyone needs to like it, as long as you do. There's no need to be so defensive about it.
I do think what shiningkestral said might be part of it, it does feel like OP only got SUPER POPULAR in the west in recent years, it was perceived as the 'silly childish' one of the big three during the naruto and bleach days
so they feel like they gotta justify how COOL and AWESOME this cartoonish thing is lol
yeah nodnod
but it reminds me so much of like MCAU fans thinking that Spider-man No way home should be nominated for an oscar lol
daflk;sjdfak
Spider-Man NWH is an enjoyable movie, but that aint oscar worthy, lmao
right
some people just live in fear of their interests being perceived as childish and thus them as childish, that they need to aggressively prove to you how it isn't.
they keep getting one guy-ed
Its just a thing of 'Enjoy what you like, man, who cares what anyone else says'.
but being so defensive over a difference of opinion over media just makes the fans come off as far more immature
Agreed.
It just comes off as Not Great, and leaves everyone looking bad.
i just realized that One Piece is so Genre defining, that I cannot think of another pirate related shonen, or even anime or manga for that matter. NO ONE WANTS TO TOUCH IT
I remember seeing some comments about deku is lame and not a CHAD like LUFFY and i'm like [side glance over to luffy blowing himself like a 1930s rubber hose cartoon character]
like dudes you don't gotta justify yourselves lol
like usually when something is wildly popular, there's some attempts to capitalize
like how there's so many more '(ex) yakuza/assassins/spies trying to live normie lives" comedies now
I'd say Fairy Tail SORT OF but moreso because the creator was still stuck in his OP mimic art style rather than the actual content
I genuinely do not understand how some people hype up the canon in their minds so much they forget the canon is actually just a little silly.
then grew into their own thing i think
yeah and people kept mocking fairy tail for it
I feel like if you tried a pirate story, the comparisons would be immediate and probably cruel no matter what you framed it.
the only thing i can think of is kinda close is Toriko because that involves island hopping, but that's one of those instances i think the guy got Oda's blessing, which is gross since that's the mangaka who was caught trying to solicitate a teen for sex
right, everyone is just Avoiding Anything Pirates. ONE PIECE WON, just chill, peeps
Give us more pirate media, more diverse pirate media!!
I wanna see people get weird(er) with pirates or even try something historical
is toriko still going. I fucking hate it. the guy is creatively bankrupt
'im gonna draw a jojo but put him in goku's outfit and then have him go sailing and do food wars stuff' lmao fuck you
oda get better friends challenge
i think it ended??? i don't know, but yeah it's like... My GOKU original character do not steal
You're making me glad I have no idea what that series even is
the creator is a piece of shit so best you don't know sob
I will try to keep that much in my thinkpan
Toei just leaned in super hard into the fact that Toriko rips on DBZ and One Piece because they happened to have the rights to all three
using these much more successful series to prop up this mediocre crap
they tried sooo hard to make Toriko a popular thing and the masses were just like 'nah lol'
You really can't force that kind of thing.
just lmao
That... is sure some character design
this is what the concept of a nepo baby if it were anime looks like
it somehow lasted 8 years apparently through the sheer force of Oda being like 'c'mon guys give it a try'
they did and it sucked lol
which says more about the popularity of one piece if like a small fraction of its fandom was enough to keep this crap afloat for 8 years
Also I want to say that making jabs at Franky right as the voice actor for Franky is retiring and doing a tearful goodbye to the character that he's so invested in is like, phenomenally bad timing
.....OH MAN I FORGOT ABOUT THAT
I feel like that's sort of reaching for things to be mad about
shiningkestral: OH NO...........
(to be fair i only watched the video one way through and i missed all the jabs at franky, until i read about them in here haha)
but again i wasn't watching closely
there weren't no jabs at franky that's what ppl were upset about lol
he did not acknowledge franky's existence AT ALL
and said so in the descrip with something like 'note how franky not being here makes zero difference' lolol
i think he was crossed out in the "characters we don't need" blink if you miss it joke
OH HAHA.. OOPS
yea thats the only one
this guy 
I like jello's stuff just, YOU SURE PICKED A BAD TIME TO SWING AT A HORNET'S NEST, BUDDY
for the most part i think "dude's got a point" but franky hate is just actually a grudge lol
apocalypsebird: AND YEAH i feel like it's completely coincidental lmao. just oops. hornets!!
hornets!!!
he wanted to ragebait and ragebait he did
i feel like this plurk has talked more about franky than jello ever has
Franky focused plurk, confirmed
I honestly didn't even notice Franky wasn't included, which says a lot.
it's like an 8 minute video talking about a series that has lasted over a decade lmao the fact that franky even got namedropped is impressive
guess he hates franky THAT much
i don't think he has strong feelings about franky.
dismissal is sometimes the strongest diss--
but yeah the outrage is silly and too much but I'm sure he'll be fine lolol
I like his Ace Attorney one he's right about athena and he should say it--
So This is Basically Ace Attorney
his gumshoe voice is pretty good
I think with the Ace Attorney video he's just pointing out the brand of stupid is part of its charm, or something we all agree sucks.