Quinneapolis
2 months ago
OK talking about DQ game design and what it's doing beneath the hood a bit
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Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Dragon Quest is, mechanically, a pretty simple series
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
you have your Attack, you have Spells, you have Items
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
none of that is revolutionary
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Quinneapolis
2 months ago
what it's really good at, in my opinion, is enemy design
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
like OK, let's hone in on what I mean
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Dragon Quest 5, Castle Reinhardt catacombs
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
there are a number of enemies in the dungeon
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Yetis, who usually just attack but occasionally do a roar that has a separately-rolled chance to stun every party member for a turn
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Gonks, who sometimes attack, sometimes do nothing, sometimes lick your face for a guaranteed one-turn stun, and sometimes summon skeletons
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Tortragons, who have very high physical defense, and occasionally waste turns using the guard command
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
what this diversity means is that each enemy - and each enemy group, because of how encounters work- okay let's get into that a bit
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
but each enemy and enemy group is, depending on their abilities and your circumstances, a different amount of dangerous
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
and figuring out that hierarchy is non-trivial
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
so sidebar, dragon quest encounters are formed of like 1-4 Groups of monsters
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
each group containing 1-8 monsters
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
and each group containing only one species of monster
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
so say you have the above sets of monsters
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
an encounter is one yeti, three gonks, and two tortragons
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Quio has a very powerful single-target attack, and also is your healer and can do light magic damage to one group of enemies
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Henry has a whip, which does less damage but hits an entire group of enemies, with descending damage as it moves left to right, and can cast Bang, which does moderate magic damage to all enemies but costs a lot of MP
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Who do you attack first? What do you attack with?
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
It's not obvious!
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
The meat of the dungeon game is in figuring out which enemies are the most pain to kill and the most pain to leave alive
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
and forming an order for how you dismantle the group based on that to minimize MP expenditure
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
for the record: Henry casts Bang because it doubles the enemies he can hit and can OHKO a non-guarding Tortragon, Quio focuses on the Gonks because as slots in the enemy formation empty out they can summon skeletons in to replace them
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
it's a long sequence of prioritization decisions as you try and judge how to deal with each formation of enemies with minimal pain and resources burnt
Love Snake Kaja
2 months ago
I'd probably go for the gonks first because they have the potential to make the encounter go out of hand with their summons and just pray the yeti doesn't do aoe stun. But it's a decision that takes some consideration, yeah.
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
and it means that your first dive into a dungeon is unlikely to be the last, because you don't know the enemy movesets or traits yet
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
so while you explore the dungeon spatially, you're also exploring it mechanically, and getting a feel for the priorities
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
if that sounds fun, play dragon quest
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
especially the older, meaner ones
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
these minks can hit the party with blinding sand to lower accuracy but these fish can cast AOE defense debuffs and my whip can only take out one group at a time
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Quinneapolis
2 months ago
DQXI is a forgiving game
I feel like it's also worth noting Dragon Quest typically does NOT have full healing available before bosses, but DOES grant a full recovery on level up
Which is another part of the resource management
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
the full recover on level up is a fairly modern addition
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
at least as of 5, it's not there
ah right I'd forgotten earlier games didn't
連続犬
2 months ago
Yeah I feel like that wasn't a thing until 8
連続犬
2 months ago
but yeah, being able to deconstruct the various Types of enemies and the best way to defeat them is the fun in Dragon Quest encounters
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
and also is the evil of it
連続犬
2 months ago
And sometimes that goes awry but in often comical situations
連続犬
2 months ago
see: Muddy Hands
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
here's three enemies who can blind you, two who do huge damage, and four who can drain your MP
連続犬
2 months ago
The key to understanding Dragon Quest encounters is, in my mind, two things
連続犬
2 months ago
1: Every enemy has usually no more moves than your average Pokemon
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
(the answer is to obliterate the MP drainers at any cost. If one guy drains 10 MP, that's equivalent to taking two Healmores of damage)
連続犬
2 months ago
2: Enemies are just, if not more MP-gated than you are, so sometimes "drain a monster's MP so they can't use their big spell that turbofucks you" is in fact not only a valuable but Vital strat
連続犬
2 months ago
enemies do have resources and you CAN deprive them of it
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
similarly, sometimes if an enemy does a big move, that deprioritizes them, because now they're out of mp
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
OK side not but here's the weirdest fucking enemy ability in 5
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
so DQ5 has Strategies you can set for the party
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
Offensive, Normal, Defensive, Save MP, Use No MP, and Manual
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
of course you should always have it set on Manual
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
but there's an enemy in this tower with a spell
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
that changes your set strategy
連続犬
2 months ago
Oh that's very mean and also weird
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
it's not as mean as it sounds, but also weirder than it sounds
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
because like
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
...you can just set it back
I love how Dragon Quest telegraphs that enemies have MP pools you can exploit with the early Imp enemies
Who attempt to cast Kaboom but don't have the MP for it and waste their turn
Princess Emily
2 months ago
This makes me feel like, for DQV, you probably want to track individual enemy stamina/MP in order to get the proper DQ experience where enemies can just run out of MP for their skills LOL
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
maybe... but it's haaard
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
also Valor's Stamina availability is too balanced
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
maybe I can have some kind of special rules thing
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
where certain enemies have Costly moves, and you can use some kind of skill to drain their uses? or something
Princess Emily
2 months ago
maybe big spells on rando encounter monsters just have ammo limits, though you'd still need to track the ammo
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
I should fuck around with making enemy design wackier in general
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
playing within the rules of the system is for rookie GMs
Princess Emily
2 months ago
it's fun, the most memorable fights in my games tend to be the ones where I fuck around outside of the usual rules
連続犬
2 months ago
Dragon Quest Valor should absolutely have Weird Enemy Design
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
instakills/disables, costly moves... I'll have to think of more
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
I'm considering an equipment system, but it'll depend on the party I end up with
連続犬
2 months ago
the funniest thing about Dragon Quest Valor and messing with enemy design is there is one enemy you do not have to mess with
連続犬
2 months ago
ironically, Dragons
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
like when I set up a whole system for buying weapons in FFAV, then the party I got had a legendary sword, a body-grafted blade, and a custom magitech gauntlet
Have you seen my Fire Emblem rules? You might be able to adapt them a bit for Dragon Quest
For what I did with the weapons
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
I have not
Since I had weapons that tagged with various properties
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
I'll look it over, at least
Princess Emily
2 months ago
I mean, TrV's quartz system is kind of like equipment, and I think it's working p well
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
again, it will depend on the party's needs
Quinneapolis
2 months ago
I'm not gonna do an equipment system if 3/4ths of the party have bespoke plot weapons
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