alkdsjas;lkdja;slk WHY IS KANYE WEST COLLUDING WITH PUTIN??????????? FUCK
i'm still boggling at the "everything is legal if you say you did it officially" position
like how is telling the vice president literally to not do his job an official duty of the president
even the justices who supported that ruling wrote comments implying they weren't actually comfortable with it, which is extra weird??? like they knew it was a bad ruling??????
"this immunity is really very narrow" not in the ruling you supported it isn't. or are you saying "official acts" is very narrow??????
I don't get why they even took it. They're just kicking it back down but it was already there???????
yeah idk maybe they were just trying to buy time for Trump knowing that it'll have to come back for "ok but what does "official" mean???" review anyway?
...also yeah I don't get why the "how would this animal wear jeans" meme is so popular when there's almost always one option that makes any sense, and one or two only make sense as "haha well that looks silly it's not that!" answers.
if you want to draw an animal wearing clothes that don't make sense, you don't need the pretext of a meme you can just draw it
...is there additional information in that one? XD
how are people actually parsing it?
like I get that it means the prosecution has to more specifically argue that criminal acts were not "official acts," whatever that means, but..?
exactly. Oh and it gets worse
Because they also said that Jack Smith was inccorectly/illegally assigned they gave Canon free reign TO THROW OUT THE FL case even though you can't POSSIBLY argue that AFTER THE FACT was legitimate POTUS duties
........are you saying that the SCOTUS ruling explicitly says "former presidents have immunity with respect to official acts during their presidency, and also this particular former president has immunity to what is obvious not an official act and was done after his presidency"? Because that sounds sloppy and unsubtle even by Thomas standards.
No I'm summarizing it. If you want the explicit legal jargon and word for word ruling you can watch lawyers parse it or
...okay that... sounds like a lot of very big leaps from what I've actually read.
Even the concurring notes backed away from the kind of blanket immunity that's implied-but-not-explicitly-stated in the ruling.
In a historic decision, a divided Supreme Court on Monday ruled that former presidents can never be prosecuted for actions relating to the core powers of their office, and that there is at least a presumption that they have immunity for their official acts more broadly.
“If this unprecedented prosecution is to proceed,” Thomas contended, “it must be conducted by someone duly authorized to do so by the American people. The lower courts should thus answer these essential questions concerning the Special Counsel’s appointment before proceeding.”
Trump is just goign to claim "keeping the boxes where I Could access them and the ILLEGAL government by Biden is absolutely official President duties" (He already is mind you)
+ Judge Canon also was entertaining a bunch of hearings claiming that ^ Jack Smith is erroneously appointed and not allowed to try the case, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS NOT HER PURVIEW
yeah Thomas is a hack but that's not the majority position that's Thomas being a hack
I don't see how the majority ruling addresses the FL case at all tho
But they still signalled to Canon "Go ahead and do this while we break for Summer and then that will take all the time Trump needs to become dictator and make us moot"
Thomas adding "also by the way we should outlaw Democrats running for office" to his concurring note wouldn't make it a Supreme Court ruling, it would make him a nut
oh they were definitely buying him time, that much is for sure, but I think more by making a sort of non-ruling
However it IS a signal to Canon
Just because it's a dog whistle doesn't mean dogs won't hear it
And that's what Polpock said too (not the dog metaphor)
their ruling basically says "former presidents cannot be criminally charged for things that it's OK for them to do" and then were mostly evasive about discussing what it's actually OK for them to do and even acknowledged that it's really hard to pin that down
Oh and they also said anything that is official conduct can't be used in motivation either
it's a dangerously broad precedent, but it's also a super vague one to keep courts fighting over it without absolutely pinning them down to anything too indefensible
so there's a thing with Canon again trying to argue that some of the core evidence to proof/motive needed to be thrown out for being Presidential
yeah I think they're mostly trying to just muddy the waters and keep things vague and hard to prosecute until Trump can get into office and derail it, or just keep pushing it back as much as possible
And the only solution is to literally overwhelmingly vote to rid the country of the Republican party so that the judges can then be impeached next year. Literally. THE solution.
unfortunately we've established a pretty strong precedent of just... not... holding SC justices accountable at all, so even if the GOP lost half their seats I'm not convinced congress would act
Then we need to force the Dems to grow a fucking backbone and ltierally only vote NOT jellyfish as well
that and the Democrats, being the actually literally conservative party, really don't mind making a fuss or taking a strong stand on things or breaking tradition
because I'm not alone in saying "aren't you sick of this????? They're literally allowing money to kill us for imaginary profits"
Biden can't save you, establishment Dems WON'T. You need to save everyone else you can.
I mean I can sympathize with the literally-conservative inclination, the stabilizing effect of traditions has a lot of value--if they're not pathological or being hideously abused by malicious actors
and if there's any evidence that they are, you need clear, unambiguous guidelines for when and why you act outside tradition
for example, ethics guidelines for the SCOTUS
No. Even then relying on "BUT IT'S TRADITIIIIOOON" is bullshit and the fucking problem because if there's no consequences to breaking it? IT DOESN'T EXIST
put it in writing that there are lines beyond which impeachment is unambiguously appropriate, because otherwise, people will hesitate to make a fuss or "spend political capital" even though it's largely imaginary
But at that point it's less about tradition, and more about ethics, literal history, and common fucking sense
the consequence of violating tradition isn't that you get punished, it's that it becomes increasingly okay to violate tradition, and you lose a stabilizing force that keeps people from doing shit like what the GOP is doing these days
undermining actual tradition and replacing it with fairy tale made-up ahistorical tradition is a core fascist strategy
that's not the same as thoughtfully and rigorously interrogating whether a particular tradition is good or not
right, I'm okay with that, but there also needs to be core guidelines OF consequences or else people WILL do this shit. Always have. for 6000+ years
not all traditions are good, a lot of them are shit, and those ones should be dismantled in a deliberate and thoughtful way, because let's be honest, "laws should actually be applied in good faith" is ultimately a tradition since and meaningless to state as law
Yes and there should be fucking consequences to that too
OH and they also said Trump can't be prosecuted for any the Jan 6 stuff because his convos pressuring Pence to break the law is ~~~MAGICALLY IMMUNE~~~~
they don't say not any but they definitely attacked several of the charges, including that one--but they also pointed out that the Pence thing in particular is unclear because the VP's role in that case isn't actually an executive branch power
they did seem to pretty strongly imply that there's no such thing as illegal orders, if they come from the president, which is uh
again something I suspect they would back away from frantically if presented with an example they don't like
Like having Seal Team 6 assassinate IDK THE SCOTUS THEMSELVES? for being a threat to the US?
BECAUSE MIND YOU Trump's lawyers DID POINT BLANK Argue that POTUS has immunity for that
well I'm going to bed before mood and mgiraine get any worse :V nak
<3 I just have to remember Anne Frank
yeah from what I recall they were asked if assassinating rivals would be okay and they were like "uhhh well um when you put it like that uhhhhh maybe?????" which you'd think would get an argument to be taken less seriously
Answer: lead in water
Meth in ppl
......as it's been pointed out, part of the reason Florida is like this is that the way they report police ledgers makes it especially easy to scrape them for weird incidents to report. ...............but that's definitely not the only factor.
...I'm very suspicious of the "people aren't moving home, that's why it's hard to buy a home!" argument. I get that liquidity in a market is a factor, but someone moving to another home doesn't actually change the supply.
"Building more homes would help, but that's not happening" ok but why is that not happening??? That sort of unanswered, unasked question always makes me deeply suspicious that there's something being deliberately not examined.
In this case, because that's not where banks see the most short-term profit for them.
Have you gone to sleep yet?
So good I posted it twice
I recc everyone see that, it's short
Biden if you're King now, why don't you arrest Trump, the 6 SCOTUS, and half of the GOP???????
Babe what pokemon am i saving for you
machops, uh
silverwolfcc Because Biden doesn't want kingly powers, and so won't use these newly appointed powers that may cause further strife.
I'm not saying I agree with his choice but...
He needs to do something I mean I'm not even worried about Trump being president, but I am NOT okay with "I won't do anything so that you vote me in because I'm not a criminal." That's very inadequate
I mean... If I were in Biden's shoes, I'd probably be tempted to go after all of Maga, then have Congress put in a new supreme court, repeal a bunch of this shit, and then have them find me guilty and lock me up to set an example. This is why I shouldn't be president, because I'm too martyrdom.
Ahhhh NO I THINK THAT'S COOOL??????? I THINK MOST OF THE COUNTRY IS WITH YOU??
is it theft if you're stealing shit back from the people who've been stealing from you for years
(yes of course it is, it's a question of justifiability, not the nature of the act, but you get the idea)
on the contrary, please start putting giant tits under my country's flag, then I might have incentive to get one
One 4th of July one year she lived with me, CC/the wife wore a shirt and pants printed in the american flag. It was pretty great (but apparently blasphemy)
Okay so there's a huge argument about that but as I kepe telling people
as a COLOR GUARD AND FLAG SUPER ENTHUSIAST
Not that Trumpists give a shit about the nuance and do literally desecrate it, putting flags on the ground, using them as weapons, and putting Trump's name on it
"Fuck the King, but also can we have our own please?" yeah right?
"It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like" seems contrary to that, since I'm not sure what it means to embroider an actual literal intact flag on a cushion or handkerchief
I mean embroidered is like doing the gator thing on shirts, but also that's because handkerchiefs and cushions are used to blow your nose and sit on
I'm not big on the idea of underwear for flag print because yeah
the idea is not to sit on it and show disrespect, but shirts/pants/bikinis are not IMO disrespectful
Women wearing a bikini in their country's flag is a national pasttime
Aussie waifu
I swear to God, if Trump actually manages to become president, they better lock me up. Because I may commit homicide and/or suicide.
I'm just... so... fucking... angry.
It wasn't exactly a quiet signal, it was basically that she should keep delaying
oh okay it's just analysis of the immunity thing
And saying that Jack Smith is illegitimate
...wasn't that just Thomas's crackpot concurring opinion tho?
again he could declare that vanilla pudding is unconstitutional if he wants to and it doesn't make it a supreme court ruling, just further evidence that he's out of his gourd
Yes but it's a literal signal to Canon
That she can do her crazy jumped up nonsense and they have her back
That sounds meaner than I mean it
I'm hallucinating from allergens ignore my tone/words please
no worries there
I definitely don't mean to say it doesn't matter or anything, just, there are definitely people who are taking it and running to "the most extreme possible future interpretation of the most extreme 5% of what was said is what is literally happening right now!!!" doomscreaming
which isn't what actually happened and isn't great for anyone's mental health or ability to actually engage with any of this
and the way journalists make everything a clickbait title doesn't help
like... there's a huge difference between discussing implications of the immunity thing that we've already been discussing, and saying that there's some new signal which could be just about anything and might be a way bigger problem than "we support procrastination"
agreed but I don't think it's clickbait when they've both (Canon & SCOTUS) proven themselves to be demonstrably worse than expectations.
I mean we've known they all committed perjury at their confirmation hearings for years now, that sounds exactly as expected
Is it really that blatant?
which? the king thing? yes
I MEAN THEY DID RETROACTIVELY PARDON NIXON SO SURE
Marx would point out that even tiddies are political
what if Marx is a hot waifu and cannot stuff it because her politiddies are too big
She can stuff it between her politiddies