soooo one of the common criticisms about the remake so far (that we've been shown in trailers) is the change to maria's outfit, how her original is supposed to reflect the state of Not Bird James's brain and how he views women, etc

and how the original doesn't seem to nail that, in many's opinion

comparison shot for those who haven't seen

i can get that, because og maria is very Christinia Aguilera back in the 2000s, and that was clear sex appeal, and with this change... like, it's stylish, don't get me wrong, but I wonder if it's really, like

Iconic Sexy, if that makes sense

but that got me to wondering, what would a modern day Iconic Sexy kind of outfit look like

christina, ftr, to be clear

saw this redesign, and it looks neat, but i wonder if it's modern enough 8Ta especially with things rolling back around to be 'in vogue' and all that lmao

Honestly, if the jacket were open and unbelted, and she had a two piece skirt and cropped top, that is very In as far as current sexy style trends for lady celebs

Loose over things paired with crops and skirts

finger snaps and points

yeah that's what was one of the things that was getting me - like even just the jacket closed up lends to a more sort of 'conservative' vibe rather than 'sexy'

Open the jacket and cut the middle out of the dress and I think that would do it

And also be more evocative of her original outfit

yeah, I agree with that

the new outfit isn't bad, it's close enough for me but I def see where the criticisms of it are coming from

Yeah it's a nice outfit....but it looks more like something Ally Mcbeal would have worn.

oh, yeah. it definitely has that vibe

Okay yeah it's almost literally an outfit Ally Mcbeal did wear in all the promo stuff:

Red blazer and little black dress

it feels more like an outfit that Mary might have worn to me

yeah, definitely

Yeah, with the specific look of it, I can see that

wherein almost lies the problem just a little bit, from a nonbird james standpoint maybe lmao

Yeeeah

welll, if Maria is supposed to represent the Mary he wished he still had, it still makes sense to me

like going with something she might have actually worn

But kind of not surprising, Bloober has spent their entire existence trying to make games like Silent Hill without really understanding symbolism all that well.

Yeah, I don''t even expect Silent Hill games to understand what Silent Hill is about at this point lol

Valid

my bar on symbolism these days for it is "not Homecoming"

Honestly the more I look at it the more I actually like the look

It’s very “normal” sexy. Short skirt and a butterfly tattoo gracing on her breast

I wonder if down the road something will happen. I won’t take what we saw to just be what we get

possibly! but mostly this was me thinking on fashion stuff

like i think part of the problem is that while 'normal' sexy is fine, og maria's outfit is so distinct - like, everyone can accurately pinpoint christina inspiration for a reason - that anything 'normal' doesn't quite cut it almost

at least that's what i'm spitballing in real time

Yeah the direct fashion link there sort of immediately - at least at the time - came with associations like 'party girl', 'bad girl', 'wild girl', etc etc.

But man, there really aren't that many iconic looks for today that could be used. At least not ones that would translate into an every day outfit design.

yeah like my first thought was the ariana grande bunny outfit, but. as you said. not really every day outfit wear lmao

Yeah exactly!

...thought i just had was "kpop is becoming such a phenomenon, i wonder if any of those outfits would work" lmao

Really any of the "sexy" idols would be a good source of inspiration

Honestly....

just baring her middriff and opening the jacket would fix a lot

and it'd look more along those lines

it really is fascinating what simply opening up a leather jacket does lmao

like i know! i ALSO have a red leather jacket lakdjsflas

Yeah, the outfit can work in the same context as the original with just a little tweaking!

i also have never worn it closed (and it's like in almost that same style too) because when i have a leather jacket, i know what it's for

yeah lol

anyway thank you everyone for indulging me on Fashion Talk lmao. i love thinking about clothes and character design....

almost all the other characters could get by with 0 changes - guy clothes can bullshit by unchanged a whole lot save for some really intense trends, angela is goin' thru it and fashion is the last thing on her mind, laura is a kid

but maria y'gotta think a lil, and i thought it was a fun thing to turn in the brain

I can understand the choice of opting for a more conservative character choice but yeah, like... I think her outfit is so iconic, that there's going to be criticism either way. either it wasn't "fixed" to be less male-gazey (even though that's the point) for the times or it's not sexually appealing enough pfft

personally though, I'd make the changes mentioned pfft

(I also like thinking about clothes and character design and what it represents about a character lol)

yeah, and maria is definitely meant to be stylish and sexy, so it offers a lot of fun thought food to chew on lmao

it does lol