refurbished or new?

and what capacity

apple.com has the 8GB new for $229 and refurbished for $179; heard they have nice refurbished models

$214.99 8GB from Amazon

my friend bought an 8gb for $225 yesterday at target, and the offer had a bonus gift card to target, though I don't know the amount of that.

AlicaVES thanks, I'd forgotten about that, the gift card is for $25

wow, that is really good! Might start Christmas shopping early.